Talk:Miloš Jakeš
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his name is Milouš, not Miloš!!! --213.235.102.135 15:53, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
- Indeed. The Czech Wikipedia says: "As a general secretary [of the Communist Party of Czechoslovakia] Jakeš used the firstname "Miloš"; during the trial it was revealed that his actual name is "Milouš". It is not known why he chose to use a different name." - Mike Rosoft 12:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the penalty Jakeš would face if found guilty: it is unlikely that he would have been sentenced to life imprisonment. According to the Czech criminal law the penalty for high treason is 12 to 15 years in jail, or "exceptional punishment" (up to 25 years or life imprisonment); however, the life imprisonment can only be used if the crime involves intentional killing. In addition, the court would have likely taken into account his age and the amount of time that has passed since the crime, and might have gone even below the minimum sentence. - Mike Rosoft 12:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
Miloš Milouš[edit]
I strongly recommend to move the page back to Miloš. This is the name under which the world (the part that cares) knows him and this is also the name most of the Czechs (who care) know him. Pavel Vozenilek 16:08, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- I do not agree. Please compare the google search results:
- Milouš Jakeš - about 21,500
- Miloš Jakeš - about 19,700
- I think that most of the Czechs who know him know his real name "Milouš Jakeš".
- --pabouk 21:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- People do remember and do internalize what they read or heard most. At the time when comrade Jakes was on front page of every newspaper of Czechoslovakia he was known as Milos. Dtto for the foreigners. That funny rename story bubbled up at then time when nobody cared about him anymore. Pavel Vozenilek 23:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
- That is a completely stupid argument. His civic name is Milos, and therefore I made the appropriate changes to the page. Milous is a derogatory nickname - you can mention it in his biography, but please don't obscure the facts, or move over to the Uncyclopedia, you can indulge your joking self there. I consider your actions defacement. Kamamura 17th November 2009
- People do remember and do internalize what they read or heard most. At the time when comrade Jakes was on front page of every newspaper of Czechoslovakia he was known as Milos. Dtto for the foreigners. That funny rename story bubbled up at then time when nobody cared about him anymore. Pavel Vozenilek 23:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I support the move back per Pavel's arguments. Also try that Google test for pages in English only, you'll get something about 190 for Milos against 70 for Milous. --- Sandius 19:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Requested move[edit]
- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Moved to Miloš Jakeš, uncontested Mike Cline (talk) 02:08, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Milouš Jakeš → Miloš Jakeš – This is the name under which he is best known (see: WP:COMMONNAME). Google Books search gives 175 results for "Milouš Jakeš" ([1]) and 9,640 results for "Miloš Jakeš" ([2]). Vanjagenije (talk) 22:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- The nom and the arguments above seem reasonable. Barring other evidence, support per WP:UCN. — AjaxSmack 04:55, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.
The "Target of jokes" section[edit]
Am I the only one who is wondering what is such a section doing in a serious encyclopedia article? --- Sandius 19:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
- I would definitely keep the current text, I do nor remember any other speach of communist leader that was distributed as pirate casette tape copy among the citizens, turned into a dance song etc. Maybe the section could be renamed "Trivia" and moved to the end of the article. JanSuchy 05:20, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
- I am definitely for keeping the section. It describes an important cultural phenomena in the period around the Velvet Revolution. --pabouk 09:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
Two questions[edit]
From the article: "official Czech pop music singers when pointing to their allegedly super-high incomes (None of us earns so much!). " 1) What is an "official Czech pop music singer"? 2) Is the "None of us earns so much!" a quote from this man? It looks like something a vandal has snuck into the article. --Khajidha (talk) 11:44, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
- @Khajidha: I agree this is misuse of "official" but it probably refers to the "state-endorsed" artists as opposed to the underground scenes. In those times pop music was regulated by the state. As for the quote, yes, he did say it, it's in the video – "Žádnej z nás nebere takový platy, prostě, jako berou oni". The English translation doesn't quite capture the implied smirk at him for using Common Czech rather than speaking formally. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 09:48, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
BLP[edit]
I've just removed a load of unsourced, controversial stuff from this article. This is a WP:BLP and it was in an absolutely terrible state. Anything returned should be properly referenced. – filelakeshoe (t / c) 09:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)
Death of Miloš Jakeš[edit]
Hello, Miloš Jakeš passed away today. I'm not aware of all the standard page updates that should happen when a person passes away so I won't make the edit myself, but anyway here is a referencing article:
Thank you