Talk:Milan Conservatory

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Title[edit]

The lede gives English (Milan Conservatory) and Italian (Conservatorio di musica “Giuseppe Verdi” di Milano) versions of the name.

The article itself has a hybrid French (!)-English title (Music Conservatoire "Giuseppe Verdi", Milan).

The official website calls it the Conservatorio di Milan, which translates to Milan Conservatory.

I'm very much in favour of moving the article to Milan Conservatory. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 18:05, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Which I've now boldly done. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 18:06, 19 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And I have boldly redone; someone undid the redirect. Bob Burkhardt (talk) 16:10, 1 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section[edit]

Many biographical articles across the encyclopedia and reference works external to wikipedia use the naming convention Conservatorio Giuseppe Verdi as the name of the Milan Conservatory. As such, it's a likely search term and should be bolded in the lead even if it is not the current name of the institution. The article should be updated anyway to cover the history of the institution and its various names. I note that this is standard practice for articles wikipedia wide where a person, organization, building, etc. has gone by many names to bold the various names in the lead.4meter4 (talk) 16:26, 23 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bolding[edit]

Hi @User:4meter4, I didn't want to continue the edit war, so I thought I would start a discussion with you instead. I'm not aware of a standard where former names (and native names) are bolded in the lede. Can you point me to either the section of the MOS that mentions both instances, or a solid precedent that demonstrates them? Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Revirvlkodlaku I had already started a discussion right above this one... There are literally tens of thousands of articles of varying kinds across the encyclopedia that follow this practice. I am surprised you haven't noticed as it is very widespread. Picking a few at random would be Broadway Theatre (53rd Street) and Lyric Theatre (New York City, 1998) (for an example of past names), The Tales of Hoffmann (for an example of native name), Shelley Winters (for an example of past name), and Spiny toad (for an example of multiple common names and the scientific foreign language name). Basically any searchable title (which includes former names, foreign names, common names, etc.) can and should be bolded because they can all be possible search terms for the reader looking for a particular topic. I also note that the main reference work used in the article doesn't use the name "Milan Conservatory"; which points to a need for including past names in the lead as published sources use both past and present names in English and Italian (ie Italian names for the school in English language sources), and biographical entries on composers and other musicians most often use the historic names of the institution at the time they were connected to it. Given the interlinking aspect of the encyclopedia it helps to have all potential names in the lead for topical clarity and to aid in navigation. Best. 4meter4 (talk) 08:38, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also want to note that this whole issue came up when I discovered the former redirect Conservatorio Giuseppe Verdi which was to this page. However the Milan Conservatory page did not address the title and explain the redirect which violates Wikipedia:Redirect policy. Further, in digging, I discovered half of the incoming links were to the wrong school and created an article on the Turin Conservatory as a result. Now that it is a dab page we need to address the old title because of the link to this page from the Conservatorio Giuseppe Verdi dab page. Also numerous biographical articles linking to this page use the title "Conservatorio Giuseppe Verdi" in their text. Best.4meter4 (talk) 09:33, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@User:4meter4, thanks for the thorough explanation—it makes sense to me now. Just for clarification, I wasn't disputing the inclusion of former or native names in the lede, merely their bolding, but I understand your rationale. Cheers! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 14:36, 24 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]