Talk:Methylenedioxypyrovalerone

<snip> to misuse reports

First of all, "documented misuse" is kind of a stupid section, and the title is clearly a weasel word designed to suggest this chemical has a common use for anything other than getting high (I wanna see what the "documented misuse" for LSD or THC... "One Mr. Chong was reported to have locked his keys in his car on several occasions...")

Seriously, though, I removed a couple entries in the section that were about "bath salts" generically, and which had no specific connection (in WP text or the sources) to the substance in question here... Also, keep the use reports and general conversation on bluelight or wherever; Wikipedia talk pages are for talking about the article, not talking about your latest drug binge (or pleading with others never to use the demon drug that you've just "quit" using in the past week)... goddamn hippies. DigitalHoodoo (talk) 19:34, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Removed "Dosage" information

I don't feel that "dosage" section belongs in the article and thus removed it. Many other Wiki articles about drugs do not have such dosage tables. Also, based on the Erowid URL that was used as a reference, the page states the following:

"Methylone (bk-MDMA, Explosion, Ease, m1) dosages are not well documented in the literature and the following dosages are based on a submission by Winta and reports gathered by Erowid."

Since this content is submitted anonymously and cannot be verified, it should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.126.239.142 (talk) 23:05, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

 Done (in revision 449218694)

Precursors banned? Incorrect citation

It says "As of April 15, 2011, two of the chemicals used in making MDPV have been banned in 7 states, including Louisiana, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, North Dakota, Washington and New Jersey. And, one of the chemicals used in MDPV have been banned in 10 more states, including, Idaho, Utah, Wyoming, New Mexico, Arkansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Virgina, West Virginia and North Carolina." As far as I can tell, the citation for that statement does not mention any of the chemicals used in MDPV being banned. Rather, it talks about how certain "bath salts" chemicals (such as MDPV) have been banned. As far as I can tell, saying chemicals used in MDPV have been banned is incorrect. 67.170.167.84 (talk) 19:28, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Agreed. I went ahead and deleted this statement.

DrBurningBunny (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

 Done

Loses potency in solution?

The given citation for this doesn't say anything about potency in solution. Google doesn't think this is true either. Is there something I'm missing or should I just remove this? 96.237.138.218 (talk) 23:39, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I also agree this is a false statement. I vote to remove.

DrBurningBunny (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

 Removed (in revision 527876999)

Miami Cannibal Speculation

The following was included in the article:

In May 2012, a Miami male allegedly under the influence of "bath salts" became severely enraged, attacking another man and chewing off most of the victim's face. The attack was only stopped after police opened fire, killing the attacker.

Toxicology tests have been submitted and will not be available for days. As this is an encyclopedic resource, and not an "up-to-the-minute" source for news and speculation, I don't think it's appropriate to include the speculation of an investigator based only on the signs of aggression reported with the drug and seen in this case. I have deleted that information, but please add it back in if toxicology screening reveals the drug played a role. —Preceding undated comment added 03:42, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

(Update) Having reviewed the article's history, it appears there is some back-and-forth on this subject, so I guess it would be fair to put it to a vote. I vote that we not include this section until there is some credible evidence that the drug played a role. Dr.queso (talk) 03:43, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

It's a quote in all the media that he took an LSD-type substance called "bath salts". This drug is called Bath Salts. This site is not an inquest or a coroner's court. Only that the material has been published in reliable third-party sources. The BBC is such a source and they called the drug, the attacker took, bath salts. 109.158.250.0 (talk) 13:09, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

There is no quote in the media that he *did* take "bath salts," only that his actions are similar to those of people who have. And if you've been following the unfolding of the case, you'll notice that once that speculation was first mentioned, it was then reported in all the blogs and minor papers, but the claim has sense been surfacing less and less as responsible (but slower) news outlets determine that there is no evidence to support the claim. Even the BBC article cited never claims there is any evidence at all to link this case to bath salts. Someone being quoted as saying he thinks something may be the case is very different from saying reliable, third-party sources have claimed that bath salts were taken.Dr.queso (talk) 16:02, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

There are many different recreational drugs that are referred to as "bath salts". Unless there is a reliable source that indicated that it was specifically methylenedioxypyrovalerone that was involved in this case, it really doesn't belong here. Maybe it's worth mentioning at Designer_drug#Inaccurate_descriptions where the subject of bath salts is discussed. -- Ed (Edgar181) 13:38, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

The experts on some drug forums ;-) seem to believe that the symptoms look more like Phencyclidine (aka PCP or "Angel Dust") than "an LSD-type substance"... (apart from the fact that MDPV is in no way related to LSD.) Let's just wait for an official statement. -- megA (talk) 15:20, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

You really need to mention the "Zombie effect" ala - http://myfox8.com/2012/05/30/zombie-attacker-may-have-been-high-on-bath-salts/ and the reports from the Miami Sheriff's Department that state that this is not the first such incident that they have had where someone chased another person down and started eating them. You can find a reference to that here - http://news.lalate.com/2012/05/29/man-eating-face-in-miami-lsd-bath-salts-drove-cannibal-zombie-attacker/ 129.119.81.135 (talk) 18:23, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

As stated in the articles you link, there is only speculation at this point that these incidents involved "bath salts" and since there are many different recreational drugs which are referred to as bath salts, there is no confirmed connection to this particular drug, methylenedioxypyrovalerone, and not some other. -- Ed (Edgar181) 18:35, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

According to coroner's results published today, the "Miami Cannibal" only had Marijuana in his blood... bath salts have been ruled out, as well as any other known drug... BBC. -- megA (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

References

Citation needed

Citation needed after "Users have reported a compulsive desire to continuously re-dose, even following onset of the unpleasant side effects induced by prolonged use and higher doses." 74.177.203.110 (talk) 16:43, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

I added {{citation needed}} to that sentence. -- Ed (Edgar181) 16:48, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

 Done

editsemirpotected

Please add a {{wiktionary|methylenedioxypyrovalerone|MDVP}} to the external links section.

70.24.251.208 (talk) 11:48, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Done Mdann52 (talk) 15:39, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

MDPV, NJ, Pamela's Law and Pamela Schmidt Murder Case

It turns out, after the toxicology results, the alleged murderer had no "bath salts" in his system at all. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/09/cranford_man_indicted_for_murd.html

Could someone update this page? The wiki page about Pamela's Law does state this.  Done

This is yet another reason why reactionary drug laws, especially eponymized ones, should only be made *after* the toxicology results are released. This happened in the UK with mephedrone as well, where the most publicized deaths that contributed to the banning turned out to have no mephedrone in their body at all: http://www.thisisscunthorpe.co.uk/Reports-tragic-teens-taken-mephedrone/story-11185269-detail/story.html . This topic of quickly banning things based on thoughts that turned out to be entirely false itself deserves a wikipedia article itself to name and shame those legislators/legislatures/authorities that have such poor governance practices. Their citizens deserve better.

It would be appreciated if someone could follow up on other cases in this article, and other places on wikipedia that they are aware of containing similar allegations. ✗ Not done

Such allegations of drug use in crime really have little place on wikipedia when they turn out to be total speculation, even if it was speculation on the part of "authorities". Such allegations ought to be more transparently published on wikipedia when they're based on nothing of substance, and perhaps some type of time limit requirement for review as the toxicology inevitably are made public. This is a place for facts, or so I'd like to think. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackPotter (talk • contribs) 04:07, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

 Partly done

Physiological/psychological effects: Proof? Real References? Actual case reports, or just what *may/might* happen?

Very few of the "Physiological/psychological effects" are actually mentioned in the cited DEA pdf.

There should be a heavier emphasis on the "may" bit of "The acute effects may include:", because we are trying to be encyclopedic. We don't need politicians demonizing drugs based on what may very well be myths that they read on Wikipedia (which just may be their primary source of information).

The references for the statement "Incidents of psychological and physical harm have been attributed to MDPV use." are from the same US TV evening news report, with potential symptoms given from a sheriff's office: hardly authoritative for health advice. The only mention of actual harm mentioned in the two referenced articles are: "In Livingston Parish, nearly half a dozen people have ended up in the hospital from snorting the powdery substance." without any description of what their symptoms were, if poly-drug use was involved, or if bath salts were blamed when something else was the actual culprit. Everything else stated is what "may"/"might" happen to users, and pretty much useless information for an encyclopedia without being better referenced. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlackPotter (talk • contribs) 04:23, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

I'd recommend you trying the drug, as a drug user and someone who is much pro-drug, MDPV is some really nasty stuff. I'll add [1] which mirrors some of the effects listed. Be bold and remove what is not cited. C6541 (T↔C) 20:23, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

fix links

Under Description of effects, the insufflation link goes to the religious context instead of the medical one. Link should be updated to be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insufflation_(medicine) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jonny Gomez (talk • contribs) 15:36, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

 Fixed

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