Talk:Mentuhotep I

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Problem with dating and place in dynastic list[edit]

The article says Mentuhotep founded the dynasty, yet in the List of pharaohs he is placed fourth after Intef I with dates 2060-2010 BC while Intef is earlier in 2134-2117. Is there another Mentuhotep in the 21st century BC who preceded Intef? User:FeanorStar7

This Mentuhotep is considered to have founded the dynasty, but he was merely a local prince and is therefore not mentioned in many lists, and Mentuhotep II is numbered as Mentuhotep I instead. See Eleventh dynasty of Egypt. Fornadan (t) 9 July 2005 10:27 (UTC)

I still ain't convinced. Since there is no reference to which King List he was refered to as an actual king, and taking Fornadan commentary above for real, I'd guess this so called Mentuhotep I is actually the first Intef (not to be confused with Intef I), who was called 'Intef the Great, son of Iku'. I base my commentary on Sir Alan Gardiner's Egypt of the Pharaohs, Oxford University Press 1961, pg 438; where the kings of the 11th dynasty are listed as:

1º) Sehertawy Intef I

2º) Wahankh Intef II

3º) Nakhtnebtepnefer Intef III

4º) Nebhetepra Mentuhotep I

5º) Sankhkara Mentuhotep II

6º) Nebtawyra Mentuhotep III
--SamaraDyva (talk) 12:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

May this convince you: He is mentioned in the Karnak-List among the Intefs and in the Heqaib-Sanctuary at Elephantine. Many Egyptologists do not consider him a king but a nomarch of the head of the south and do not give him a number. He was seen during the later 11th dynasty being the founder of the family.--91.39.51.97 (talk) 16:30, 30 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possible Prenomen problem[edit]

you see,in the "Mentuhotep I the great ";when I looked in the Turin King List,his name is recorded as Wah....... in Columm 5,Line 12 which can be restored to Wah......re,but I had to used an "citation needed " and Point out Weasel Word Problems.Can you help? Historydiver (talk) 04:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see the point of adding unsourced material and then putting the "citation needed" template just after it. That said, if you see this reconstruction of the Turin Canon, it was estimated that Mentuhotep I should have been found in column 6, row 12 (that's Ryholt reconstruction, corresponding to 5.12 of the older one by Alan Gardiner). The sketch within the cartouche has in the past been tentatively read as "Wah[...]" (different reading has been proposed) but as pointed out, "the tiny trace makes a proper identification impossible". Lone-078 (talk) 14:44, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

what do u mean? Historydiver (talk) 15:42, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That at the current state of knowledge Mentuhotep I's throne name is still unknown, and it cannot be obtained from the Turin Canon. Lone-078 (talk) 17:04, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oh,thanks for info Historydiver (talk) 04:44, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]