Talk:Matar judíos

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Did you know nomination[edit]

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BorgQueen (talk) 16:13, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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... that in the Matar judíos tradition ("Kill Jews") in León, Spain, revelers drink 33 glasses of Leonese lemonade, the age at which Jesus Christ died? Source: https://www.thelocal.es/20200410/seven-weird-traditions-celebrated-at-easter-in-spain
https://www.diariodeleon.es/articulo/leon/la-sagrada-bebida/201403271158001422152.html
- ALT1: ... that the city of León, Spain, celebrates a tradition called Matar judíos ("Kill Jews") during the Holy Week leading up to Easter? Source: https://www.thelocal.es/20200410/seven-weird-traditions-celebrated-at-easter-in-spain
  https://www.diariodeleon.es/articulo/leon/la-sagrada-bebida/201403271158001422152.html
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Created by Longhornsg (talk). Self-nominated at 23:01, 9 March 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Matar judíos; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.[reply]

Reviewing... (will do today or tomorrow) Artem.G (talk) 12:18, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Long enough, interesting (I prefer ALT1), sourcing is good, images are good. QPQ check doesn't show any DYKs by the nominator, so not needed. Good to go! Artem.G (talk) 16:12, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hook still needs more work. It is attention-getting and explained in the article, but maybe unnecessarily inflammatory as well. Cielquiparle (talk) 15:51, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have any fundamental problem with the hook (WP:NOTCENSORED), but the lede of the article itself is bizarre. The first sentence tells us where and when it happens, and that the participants drink lemonade. Surely what kind of beverage they drink is not such an important thing that it should be in the first sentence, before the antisemitic origins are even mentioned. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, @RoySmith: and @Cielquiparle:. The tradition of drinking the Leonese lemonade (a regional variant) in Leon is literally called "Matar/Matando judios". It's mainstream and part of the city's Holy Week celebrations, with the anti-Semitic undertones and history of the tradition's names not necessarily appreciated by modern celebrants. Open to any necessary suggestions to amend the hook, such as adding a clause that the tradition is the drinking of the lemonade. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Longhornsg (talk • contribs) 18:01, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Artem.G, Cielquiparle, and RoySmith: Frankly I think this is more than a hook issue. I'm not sure the article in its current form passes WP:DYKCRIT #4d, neutrality. This is an obviously controversial topic, and the article barely makes mention of that. There is a single anonymous mention in the lede of some local Jews finding the event offensive—immediately dismissed as invalid, until I reworded it—and then later a mention of efforts 100 years ago to abandon the name, although without elaboration. If you Google the term, on the other hand, the majority of coverage is about the name, much of it negative. There are times when an article can be non-neutral simply by omission, and this strikes me as one of them. -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 23:14, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cc: Longhornsg as nominator/author. Cielquiparle (talk) 05:47, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Longhornsg: well... not interested in this nomination anymore? BorgQueen (talk) 19:08, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- @BorgQueen: I'd have to say not so much. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/her) 16:07, 25 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]