Talk:Mark Rober/Archive 1

Archive 1

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Some proposed changes

Information to be added or removed:

• REMOVE REQUEST: "Rober has offered financial compensation to those who could successfully recover the package if the package was taken from their porch."
• REMOVE REQUEST: "He removed those two clips from the video."

Explanation of issue: Unsubstantiated and unsourced claims - I can not find evidence of these statements. Jay Bestille (talk) 15:43, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Reply 25-DEC-2018

  Source reference verified  

• The CNN source which reported on the payment and removal of clips is within the article and the URL for the claim is active.
• The claim regarding the apology and "admitting the clips were misleading" was omitted, as the source does not show or characterize Rober as making either of these statements in their Twitter post, which CNN described as an act of contrition rather than an apology.

Regards,  Spintendo  23:34, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

Notes

Age/birthday

His birthday is March 11, 1980 (making him 39). Jturtle24 (talk) 20:48, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Can't be added unless there's a reliable source confirming. Primefac (talk) 20:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 December 2019 (religion)

Rober is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I would add this line under personal life. Here is a link to the "Mormon Wiki" that verifies that. --Iggykoopa123 (talk) 05:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC) Iggykoopa123 (talk) 05:55, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

​Wikis are user-generated content and are therefore not reliable sources. We would need a citation to a published newspaper or a statement from Rober himself. – Thjarkur (talk) 12:50, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

​ Noted. I will amend that with a reliable sources. Iggykoopa123 (talk) 22:31, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

Hi Iggykoopa123, are you able to find a better source than that? LDS Living doesn't list a source for him being a member of the LDS Church other than Meridian Magazine (I guess they mean this article, which doesn't actually state his religion). Possibly an interview where he's mentioned this? --Prosperosity (talk) 10:52, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 March 2020 (sub count)

Please change his number of subscribers from 10.5 million to 10.8 million subscribers, source is his Youtube profile. Also, add to associated acts the channel "How Ridiculous" because they published a video in which they collaborated with each other on March 2, 2020 and "How Ridiculous" is also a multi million subscriber channel. Source is either of their Youtube profiles. 68.119.60.56 (talk) 21:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

 Done Primefac (talk) 10:39, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Apple work

At around 10:00 in this video by Mark Rober https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMKXbLBgkEc (CAR vs. WORLD’S STRONGEST TRAMPOLINE- 150ft (45m) drop) Mark Rober states that "Up to about 6 months ago," he worked at Apple. The video is posted in March of 2020 so he must've left Apple in 2019 and not early 2020. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.104.76.107 (talk) 01:36, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Qualifies as WP:OR, so no. Primefac (talk) 01:44, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

New Image

I donated a newer image for this article. As I am obviously connected to the article, I did not want to add it myself. If someone can please update it I would appreciate it. --Countingmagic (talk) 19:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Sure! --Prosperosity (talk) 22:31, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2021 (birth date)

Suggest to update Mark Rober's birth date. Article currently shows year of birth as 1980 or 1981. The wikitubia Fandom site shows his DOB as March 11,1980.

https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Mark_Rober#:~:text=Mark%20Braxton%20Rober%20(born%3A%20March,yourself%20gadgets%2C%20and%20creative%20ideas.

"Mark Braxton Rober (born: March 11, 1980 [age 41]), Is an American engineer, former NASA employee, Inventor, and YouTuber best known for his popular science-related videos, useful do-it-yourself gadgets, and creative ideas"

DavidKing90 (talk) 14:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)David King DavidKing90 (talk) 14:33, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done Wikitubia is not a reliable source. Ionmars10 (talk) 14:45, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 April 2021 (birth date)

Someone change the infobox to show mark's birthday as March 11 1980. This is his actual birthday. Source: https://twitter.com/MarkRober/status/1370415489910931459 . Mark retweeted a tweet from CreatorStack that congratulated him and wished him a happy birthday. 220.245.101.5 (talk) 13:11, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Twitter is generally not considered a reliable source, plus the birthday wish could have been early or belated. —KuyaBriBri^Talk 16:20, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I agree with the second half of the above statement. However, Twitter posts from the subject are generally considered reliable for non-controversial information such as a DOB. For example, if he had said (specifically) "thanks for the birthday wishes!" or something indicating that it was specifically that date, we could probably take it. Primefac (talk) 16:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 April 2021 (birth date)

Mark Rober was born on March 11, 1980. Sunlite23 (talk) 17:54, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 15 (talk) 19:35, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2021 (channel name)

Please change Rober's channel name to Mark Rober. The link does not need to be changed. Fluffycat2.0 (talk) 00:19, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

 Done Primefac (talk) 00:58, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 November 2021 (awards)

Section "Awards":

In 2021, Rober was awarded an Honorary Fellowship by the Institution of Engineering and Technology in recognition of his outstanding contribution to the engineering profession. This Honour was granted during the Institution’s 150th anniversary year. Earlier in 2021, as part of the Institution’s celebrations, Rober was awarded a one-off prize as STEM Personality of the Year, following nominations from across the globe. Christopher Knibb (talk) 20:39, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done Hextor26 (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

References

Mention TeamSeas?

Teamseas has been just as popular as Teamtrees for a few weeks now but it still isn't mentioned in this article. I wanted to fix this but the page is protected and I can't edit it. TheKidWhoEdits (talk) 14:17, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

If there are reliable sources that discuss the matter, then write up a proposed change and it can likely be done. Primefac (talk) 14:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

Mark Rober article should mention TeamSeas.

• What I think should be changed: Mention TeamSeas in the article similarly to how it is mentioned in MrBeast's article using the same sources because it currently is not.
• Why it should be changed: Rober was one of the founding members of TeamSeas along with MrBeast just like for TeamTrees.
• References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

TheKidWhoEdits (talk) 00:34, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

References

For the record, this request was  Done. Primefac (talk) 16:42, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Edit

Hey fello Wikipedians!

I was researching more info on Mark. I have found he was born March 11, 1980. His middle name is Braxton. He was born near Valencia CA.

I will post the images on his high school photo and proof his middle name is Braxton!

Cheers,

rubikmid93 [file:///home/chronos/u-14592c37e1084a403885b85f77fee4b50651fb7b/MyFiles/Downloads/jpg2pdf.pdf Proof of Middle Name] [file:///home/chronos/u-14592c37e1084a403885b85f77fee4b50651fb7b/MyFiles/Downloads/AncestryLibrary.com.pdf Yearbook pic] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubikmid93 (talk • contribs) 01:44, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Rubikmid93: Please respect the privacy of living persons. —Dexxor (talk) 05:10, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

@Dexxor: Regardless of whether or not this invades Mark Rober's privacy, the links to Rubikmid93's proof above don't work because they use the file URI scheme. 207.81.187.41 (talk) 22:27, 3 October 2021 (UTC)

@Rubikmid93: Also, original research is against Wikipedia policy, per WP:OR. JTZegers (talk) 15:42, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

This is an unreliable website for research in general. (Personal attack removed)

I rest my case. No, this ain't court. I am aware. But, I am trying to prove a point. Technology is limited the amount of human learning done. It might be beneficial since it is fast and accurate, but the website itself isn't original. You guys are competing against Google. As my 5th grade English teacher once said, "Wikipedia is not to be used in your essay. It is very unreliable and inaccurate." Rubikmid93 (talk) 17:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Full name not reliable source?

Hello, I made an edit to this page fleshing it out, by adding Mark's full name and actual birthday. However, it was reverted because of bad sourcing. I redid it with a different source (trying not to edit war because I've already been blocked once for disruptive editing and violation of restrictions), but I was wondering what made the original sources unreliable, and if I should have requested this edit. You can also use my talk page if you have any more suggestions. It appears that I'm not the first one to run into this problem, since another user was reverted for that plus privacy concerns, and yet another user was reverted because the source was Wikitubia. Thanks.--JTZegers (talk) 15:20, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Update: The new edit was also reverted. It was noted as "good-faith" which means that it had the ribs, but was lacking the meat. This means I'm getting somewhere, but I still don't understand what to do to have the full name and birthday in the article. I'll keep fleshing out the rest of the page until I or someone else finds another good source for this. JTZegers (talk) 15:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

No. It means I didn't consider it vandalism. Please read the edit comment on the revert. --CNMall41 (talk) 16:45, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@CNMall41:I've read it, and it said that I need a better source that isn't a bio or a networth site. I did find one discussing one of his patents, however. It's this: https://patents.justia.com/inventor/mark-braxton-rober. Should I incorporate that into the article? JTZegers (talk) 16:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

"I would think there would be a better source from the US being that is where he is based. The source you used also appears to be more of bio or listacle than something in-depth (simiarly to networth sites)" is what was written. It doesn't say you need a better source. It says I think there would be better sources from the U.S. (particularly news sites that have talked about him countless times and only using the middle initial B). It also says why the source you used isn't reliable, not what would be required to include it. Unless there is a secondary reliable source that supports it, I am unsure it could be added without violating BLP guidelines. WP:ONUS would be on you to demonstrate inclusion. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:26, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@CNMall41:Okay, I've made another change, and got a reliable source to support the one that may be unreliable. JTZegers (talk) 19:03, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Two of the three sourced don't even mention the middle name. Why were they added? The other is the link to a patent which I would object to using in a BLP for personal information. I would say you should look closer at WP:ONUS. --CNMall41 (talk) 19:58, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@CNMall41:, here’s my explanation. The patent source I thought was a reliable source that included the middle name, and one of the other two included the birthday, and they were both news websites. I understand how these can be unreliable just because it doesn’t include the middle name (because they outweigh the one that does). If that’s how it’s gonna be, I’m going to do a little more research into sources good for BLP articles (specifically this one) and see what to do instead of having the same edit reverted over a bad source. JTZegers (talk) 20:30, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

What you are doing is called confirmation bias. You want to add something to Wikipedia and are looking for ways to justify it but using WP:OR, WP:SYNTH, and unreliable sources to violation WP:BLP guidelines. This is the complete opposite of what we should be doing. Instead, we look at the sources and, weighing the information against BLP guidelines, add what the sources say. --CNMall41 (talk) 15:48, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2022

The below should go in the personal section.

"Mark Rober is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." 2605:A601:A906:7400:65BA:B44F:30A3:2BAE (talk) 05:43, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Primefac (talk) 05:50, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Language not correct

Per WP policy the American version of English needs to be used. Under awards, honor is used as the British version. This needs to be changed throughout the article. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:882F:209F:2C4D:523A (talk) 05:22, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Mark rober- How old?

Mark b. Rober was born in 1980. he is 42 years old. his birthday is march 11. 66.187.104.152 (talk) 19:29, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

If you have a reliable source, by all means provide it. Primefac (talk) 19:55, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Everything I can find marks him as 43 with a date of birth of March 11, 1980. Just a google search for his birthday has all results, except WP, show the same birthday and age. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:882F:209F:2C4D:523A (talk) 05:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Podcast

According to his own admission he is no longer married. https://armchairexpertpod.com/pods/mark-rober BConsEPL (talk) 07:17, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I am not sure a podcast is enough to support this as it is treated more like a self-published source. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:57, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I found a few references about it although they would be primary sources. I think for the sake of BLP to just remove the name for now and then it can be updated with dates and any titles deemed appropriate once there is a secondary source. --CNMall41 (talk) 08:35, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

I can’t find anything recent saying they are divorced. Everything I’m reading says they are still married after 10 years with the most recent update in February 2023. 2600:8801:CA05:EF00:882F:209F:2C4D:523A (talk) 05:36, 15 March 2023 (UTC)

Being raised LDS

I know it has been discussed/requested before regarding adding Rober's membership in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS) church, however, there have been concerns over adding this due to a lack of reliable sources, so I wanted to discuss here before adding. LDS Living has stated in an article that Rober is LDS, however, @Prosperosity raised concerns regarding reliability and previously requested a more reliable source. An August 2022 Fast Company (which seems to be generally considered reliable from what I can find at the Reliable sources Noticeboard) article stated that "He grew up in a Mormon household, which led him to Brigham Young University, where he met his wife, but he never mentions his faith in his videos." Considering the two sources (at least one of which is considered reliable) and the fact he attended BYU (which is 98% LDS), I feel it should be added to the article that he was raised LDS. Wikipedialuva (talk) 01:53, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Hi @CNMall41! I noticed in this edit that you, in part, removed the statement from the article's "Early life" section that he was raised "in a Mormon household". In the edit summary, it was noted that the edit was "Removing religion from early life. Can likely be placed in personal section if someone sees fit." The source states that: "He grew up in a Mormon household, which led him to Brigham Young University, where he met his wife, but he never mentions his faith in his videos." I added his LDS faith to the "Early life" section for two reasons. One, being raised Mormon is a unique experience that can influence a person's views and life events, and two, I cannot find a WP:RS indicating that he is still LDS today. I believe that him being raised LDS is an aspect of his life that deserves to be included in the article, but I am open to ideas and suggestions on how to best accomplish this. Thanks! Wikipedialuva (talk) 13:10, 5 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the diff as I did quite a few edits and would have had to search for this. I think you say it best that there are no references saying he is LDS (I assumed there would be which is why I said include it in the persona life section). So, saying he was raised LDS would make it sound like that is his religion, despite the fact he isn't (also assuming since you state there are no sources). I would have to look at the source further but maybe something like his parents were members of LDS? I am not sure the relevance of it for an encyclopedia anyway. --CNMall41 (talk) 03:39, 6 March 2023 (UTC)

@CNMall41 I'm glad my diff was helpful! There are some sources that indicate that he is currently LDS, including several from LDS Living, such as this one. However, in previous discussions about this topic, @Prosperosity voiced they did not know if LDS Living met full WP:RS standards. In all likelihood, I think the weight of evidence leans towards the conclusion that Rober is LDS today, but it is debatable whether that evidence meets the strict WP:RS standards Wikipedia requires for that to be explicitly stated within the article body (WP:RSP has not taken a position on LDS Living either way). Regardless of whether he is currently LDS, I believe mentioning the fact that he grew up in a Mormon household also provides some context to other areas of his life, such as where he attended college (BYU, an LDS institution). Thanks! Wikipedialuva (talk) 04:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

It sounds like projecting to me. We don't lead people to a conclusion on Wikipedia. Do we have a reference that says he went to BYU because he is LDS or it that we we are surmising? Being "led to BYU" doesn't mean that he went there because of it. I was led to several Catholic universities but didn't attend them because I was catholic. Since this is a BLP, I would err on the side of caution and simply leave it out. --CNMall41 (talk) 08:09, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

@CNMall41 Projecting what? First, I am not trying to lead people to any conclusion other than what I wrote. My edit was stating a fact, from a reliable source- that he was raised in a Mormon household, and that a RS felt that it was important enough to mention in an article about him. I specifically did not add that he was an active LDS member.

Second, I did not claim that he attended BYU because he was a member of the LDS church; however, I said that his growing up in a Mormon household could give context to his attending BYU. This claim is backed up by the article, which we both agree is a reliable source. The source states: “He grew up in a Mormon household, which led him to Brigham Young University, where he met his wife, but he never mentions his faith in his videos.” The source explicitly states that his growing up in a Mormon household “led” him to attend BYU. On a side note, I also attended a Catholic college and am not Catholic; my college’s student body was about 50% Catholic. I feel that attending BYU as a non-LDS student is not comparable to a non-Catholic student attending a Catholic college because BYU’s student body is 98% LDS [1], and requires that students follow an honor code that requires them, regardless of faith, to “live a chaste and virtuous life” and “abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, vaping, and substance abuse” [2].

Third, Rober is likely LDS. LDS Living has no fewer than three times referred to him as a “Latter-day Saint”. [3] [4] [5] While @Prosperosity has previously requested additional sources other than LDS Living, many articles on Wikipedia currently cite LDS Living as a RS.

Whether he is or ever was an member of the LDS church is not overly relevant to the statement I added, which a reliable source felt was important enough to include- that he was raised in a Mormon household, and that it gives context to other events in his life (leading to his attending BYU). Wikipedialuva (talk) 01:56, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

My questions in no way were meant to be contentious. I understand your point, but I don't feel it should be included for reasons I stated above. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:37, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Per WP:BLPCAT - ”Categories regarding religious beliefs (or lack of such) or sexual orientation should not be used unless the subject has publicly self-identified with the belief (or lack of such) or orientation in question, and the subject's beliefs or sexual orientation are relevant to their public life or notability, according to reliable published sources.” While this specifically regards Categories, I believe the reasoning is also pertinent to the body of the article as well. If Rober wants to tell everyone he is LDS/not LDS/whatever, let him do it publicly - he has a wide YouTube following, ample exposure to various other well-known entertainment personalities and yet, the casual viewer doesn’t know for certain. His works are pertinent to science, not religion, and perhaps he would feel that his credibility would be undermined or cancelled by statements of faith. Or maybe he’s just private. For whatever reason, he doesn’t go out of his way to discuss it, so I believe we should just leave it be. LovelyLillith (talk) 19:55, 18 March 2023 (UTC)