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Change of titles of Irving Godt's two articles[edit]
No tweaking will change the fact that in Irving Godt's two basic Martines articles the composer's name is correctly given as "Marianna Martines" [1] and [2]. I have seen many weird things on Wikipedia, but the changing of titles of published scholarly articles really tops everything!--Suessmayr (talk) 13:09, 19 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, I changed a reading that said that the Martines family "resided with" Metastasio. In English this wording implies that the residence belonged to Metastasio and that the family were staying there as his guests; whereas the sources I have read say that it was the other way around. If this is not correct please change, indicating sources. Opus33 (talk) 17:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The residence belonged to the parish of St. Michael's. Metastasio was the main tenant and sublet part of his apartment to the Martines family. Unfortunately most of the literature on Martines is deeply flawed.--141.203.254.65 (talk) 10:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure it wouldn't be Marianna Martines? In ictu oculi (talk) 01:16, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've been bold and WP:MOVEed it, on the basis of the high-profile sources of the last couple of years - mainly the Godt biography and the Nuria Rial CD which are the two items most people looking for article would search on. If reverted redirect will still exist, no problem. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:23, 14 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The two JSTORE articles that Suessmayr link to are no longer directly available but doing my own search: returns:
Irving Godt (Winter 1998). "Marianna in Vienna: A Martines Chronology". The Journal of Musicology. 16 (1). University of California Press: 136–158. doi:10.2307/764080.
A number of reviews of a book Marianna Martines: a woman composer in the Vienna of Mozart and Haydn by Irving Godt, John A. Rice. For example: Page, Janet K. (2011). "A Viennese Woman Composer". Early Music. 39 (4): 618-19. JSTOR41502326.
I would have thought that Grove Online was a more likely search than "Godt biography and the Nuria Rial CD". --PBS (talk) 08:43, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
A search JSTORE on Marianne+von+Martinez and "Marianne+von+Martines" returns 2,589 and 9 respectively so I suspect that Marianne+von+Martinez is a large subset of Marianne+Martinez -- PBS (talk) 09:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Marianne von Martines" about 50 "Marianne von Martinez" about 500
so searches of both Jstore and Google Books (21st century search on books) indicate that Martinez is much more common than Martines, what evidence do you have to back up you assertion that "Martines is WP:COMMONNAME"? -- PBS (talk) 15:01, 3 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
At her time, orthography wasn't as "correct" as today, - does it really matter as long as redirects are there?- For a person who published notable works, that name seems relevant, see Max Reger, but unfortunately not Fanny Hensel. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:22, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
What I notice is that authority control entries seem to favour Martinez. - We should think twice about using Austrian, compare Mozart's nationality. All these categories ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:41, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing is more ridiculous than trying to base the spelling of a name on its frequency on the web (of all places!). Like all her siblings, Marianna von Martines signed her name Martines. That is enough.--Suessmayr (talk) 18:33, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
