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Merge with IKDC

Re: Merge with IKDC.

No. I suggest adding a link to it in "See also" section or faculties instead. I will do this within a week if no-one objects. // Fred-Chess 13:33, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Rural Campus?

Exactly what is the rural campus mentioned in the infobox??

It's the campus where the pilot education is given. It's placed in Ljungbyhed because obviously you can't have runways in Lund. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.157.214 (talk) 17:04, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Please try to keep the article neutral

As an example, from the introduction:

"Lund University (Swedish: Lunds universitet), located in Lund in southernmost Sweden, is one of Sweden's most prestigious universities[2] and Scandinavia's largest institution for education and research[3][4][5][6],..."

Comments:

1. You cannot cite a press release for a statement that LU is "one of Sweden's most prestigious universities" (what does that even mean, judged by whom?). Press releases are not credible sources. Also the statement reads like there are attempts to overcompensate for something. Maybe something like this would read better: "Lund University is the second oldest university in Sweden...". In terms of being well-known Karolinska Institutet and Uppsala University are probably better known outside Sweden. To my recollection LU despite being the second oldest university in Sweden has never even had a faculty member who received a Nobel Prize, unlike many other Swedish universities like Göteborg University, Uppsala University, Stockholm University and Karolinska Institutet. (The point is not that any of these would be more "prestigious", the point is that such a statement is meaningless).

2. "Scandinavia's largest institution for education and research". Again, press releases and PR material from LU used by other websites are not credible sources. Further more, this statement is simply not true since both Stockholm University and Göteborg University are larger. Also, Uppsala University is about the same size as Lund. Someone should probably check University of Copenhagen.

3. Assigning prestige to universities in Sweden is a bit misleading. The reason is that admission to Swedish universities is based on what program students apply for (unlike China, UK, USA where students apply to a university and top universities like Harvard require insanely high grades and a well-executed interview to get in). You do typically not need "outstanding grades" (or even "good grades") to get into Lund University (neither any other university in Sweden). Typically selectivity and "prestige" varies depending on what program you apply for. As an example, if you want to study Medicine and become a Medical Doctor in Sweden any university offering medical education will require maximum grades for admission (some also used to have interviews on top of that, like Linköping University). However, if you want to study electrical engineering, anyone who graduated with passing grades from high school would typically be admitted since that program is not as popular. Same goes if you want to study languages that are not mainstream (e.g. majoring in Romanian for example) or studying something that went out of fashion (information management systems, systemvetarprogrammet). This is not just true for Lund, this is simply how the Swedish university system works. This does not necessarily mean the quality of education is bad it just that the "filter" is applied after students are admitted (students who can't make it drop out). Again, it is not hard get admitted for an "average" student to any Swedish university so "prestigious university" is misleading. If anything, prestige needs to be assigned on a program-basis. Also, a local university for a small region (Scania) with 40000 undergraduate students, such as LU, is not selective by an international standard. Compare against Harvard College, the colleges of University of Cambridge, Ivy League and "elite" colleges in USA, etc. that have a much much smaller undergraduate student population (typically between 2000-12000 undergraduate students, recruited from all over the world). This is not to say that LU isn't a "good university" by Swedish standards, but trying to make it appear as something equivalent of a highly selective research university with many Nobel Prize winners, etc. in USA , UK and elsewhere is misleading. This is not just directed to this article, lack of neutrality and academic boosterism is a problem with all university articles here. Kristensson (talk) 04:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Prestigious should probably be removed. But somebody from Sweden will put it back in again. That's the way Wikipedia is, unfortunately. 146.6.122.32 (talk) 20:28, 11 March 2016 (UTC)
Using your points (Kristensson)..

1. It's hard to measure how well-known a university is, the only conclusion we can draw is that LU is very well known at least in Sweden. The following Nobel prize winners are LU-alumni: Sune Bergström, Bertil Ohlin, Arvid Carlsson and Manne Siegbahn. I agree that "prestigious" can seem a bit over the top, but having studied at three other universities in Scandinavia (Stockholm University, Chalmers and Copenhagen Business School) I have almost always been met with the same response about Lund university. Prestigious may not be the right word, the Swedish word "anrik" is perhaps a more suitable term to describe what people think of Lund university. And by the way, even though LU was founded in 1666, Lund has been a center of education since medieval times. I don't think we can pinpoint prestige, but those factors should probably be included.

2. Three different universities claim to be the biggest in Scandinavia, all of them Swedish: Stockholm university, Gothenburg university and Lund university. It all depends on what you choose to count. Is it the number of students? Researchers? Alumni? Faculties? Are we only including students studying on campus or also distance learning-students? What if we only included degree programmes? You can get different results depending on what questions you ask, but traditionally Lund university has been thought of as the biggest, which also has to do with it being the broadest in terms of available programmes and courses. You can easily call Lund university biggest in Scandinavia, it may be disputed, but LU is no less worthy of that title than SU or GU. Copenhagen university is smaller than the three universities I mentioned in every aspect.

3. I can agree that it would be misleading to call LU prestigious in the same sense as the Ivy League schools, or as Cambridge and Oxford, because the rules of admission are different. But hopefully the wikipedia reader is smart enough to understand that a prestigious Swedish public university is not prestigious in the same sense as Ivy League universities, especially since the article does say that LU is frequently ranked among the world's top 100 universities, not top 10 like Princeton or Yale.

So all in all, I think "prestigious" is viable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.157.214 (talk) 20:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

What the hell does that mean, that Lund University is "one of the most prestigious universities" in Europe? How is this neutral encylopedia language. Of all the large universities in Europe, only Lund and Uppsala are described as prestigious by Wikipedia. It just goes to show that Lund and Uppsala are obsessed by perceived status. Strange, I always thought the Swedes were proud of being humble...

130.235.100.9 (talk) 09:56, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

I also believe that the use of 'prestigious' here is very unencyclopaedic. Maybe changing it to 'is considered to be...' would be more appropriate, but I wouldn't oppose removing it entirely. Weaxzezz (talk) 20:26, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
"Prestigious: Inspiring respect and admiration; having high status." The sources clearly state that Lund has a high status in Europe. Being ranked #71 in the latest QS survey (out of a total of 2919 institutions covered) is obviously indicative of this, and the same word could and maybe should be used in at least every article of the the top-100 ranked universities (depending on their specific geopolitics, of course - as has been stated, if situated in the US, Lund's record wouldn't be that impressive - the key thing here is that Lund is NOT situated in the US).126.109.231.20 (talk) 05:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
I have removed the reference to Lund University being "prestigious". This is a non-neutral ajective that is not to be included in an encyclopedia. Wikipedia Manual of Style (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch) specifically notes that the word prestigious should not be used as an adjective. An IP address at Lund University keeps reinserting the word "prestigious", perhaps as some form of advertising on by the university itself. I suggest if this continues that the article should be locked. 81.170.234.118 (talk) 00:30, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia manual of style specifically states that "prestigious" is a subjective word that should be avoided in encyclopaedic language. It should be removed from this article. 11:30, 9 June 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 145.108.180.136 (talk)
This matter has not been resolved, so I have marked the article with a "peacock" tag until such time that it has been resolved.
Ok, it seems I am not being allowed to remove "prestigious" from the text, despite it being an non-neutral word to use in an encyclopedia, and despite this section in the talk detailing other users who think the same, due to the user Thomas W. I propose to replace the opening sentence "Lund University (Swedish: Lunds universitet) is one of northern Europe's oldest and most prestigious universities,[4][5][6][7]consistently ranking among the world's top 100 universities." with "Lund University (Swedish: Lunds universitet) is one of northern Europe's oldest universities and consistently ranks among the world's top 100 universities." Stating that the university consistently ranks among the world's Top 100 universities factually conveys the prestige of the university, without having to resort to using the word "prestigious", which is promoting a non-neutral point of view. Perhaps if somebody else has time to fix this in the future, they can get around to doing so. For now, it appears that my deletion of the word "prestigious" is being constantly reverted, so there's no point in me continuing if one person is dead set on leaving the word in. 145.108.180.136 (talk) 16:34, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
The use of the word prestigious is non-encylopaedic as mentioned above. Furthermore, of the four sources used, two are from Lund University itself, another is from a press release detailing a joint venture between Lund University and another university, and the fourth contains a sentence almost exactly the same as the sentence in this Wikipedia article, suggesting that the source itself uses Wikipedia as a source. 89.236.60.88 (talk) 22:30, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Currently not possible to remove "prestigious" due to constant reverts from IP addresses in Sweden. Lock the page? 97.98.2.36 (talk) 22:00, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
And the only ones who remove it are IPs geolocating to certain other countries, including an IP belonging to the Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam, which perhaps could be seen as a rival. So what's the difference? - Tom | Thomas.W talk 22:25, 22 November 2016 (UTC)
Prestigious has clearly been marked by Wikipedia as a peacock term not suited to a encyclopedia. The problem with Wikipedia users is that they promote opinion over fact. 13:59, 17 January 2017 (UTC)~
Re: the use of the word prestigious - the MOS doesn't say it's a word that shouldn't be used, just one to be watched. Lots and lots of articles on various universities use the word. Harvard, University of Tokyo, Stanford, University of Indonesia... 66.8.251.174 (talk) 08:23, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

The list of partner universities

The list of partner universities is alot shorter than the list at LU's website. There's some 50 universities missing on this wikipedia list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.209.157.214 (talk) 02:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

LU has a lot of partners. Can we keep adding them all until the article becomes one long list of this and that university around the world? Maybe they could be stacked into columns to make the list more compact. High quality articles don't even have such partner lists, so maybe it should be skipped altogether. Brilliantwiki (talk) 03:49, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

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Ok. Off the bat, this meets the quick fail criteria, as there are several tags on the article (the section expansion and lack of sources), which is a big no-no for Good Article status. Second, you do lack information in important places. I understand if sources may lack, but history of a current-day university doesn't end at the 1820s. There are places this should be worked on. Also, not a complaint, I love the illustration of this article. When this is fully complete, they'll be a great help! Sorry to do this, but I have to fail this until the major issues are solved, and 7 days won't be enough in my opinion. Send me a message if you have a problem!Mitch32(The Password is... See here!) 16:39, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

"Notable people" section

I suggest changing the format for the "notable people" section from list to prose. This section already has a head link to a similar list so it's unnecessary to repeat it in the article. See the Cambridge article for an example. I guess it's not an urgent necessity but... perhaps from now on... Brilliantwiki (talk) 00:34, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

ranking info in the opening paragraph

Some person removed the ranking inf from the opening paragraph way down to the ranking info, citing "NPOV." If it's factually one of the most prestigious universities of Europe, factually frequently ranked within the 100 best universities in the world, and there are sources to back this up, it makes perfect sense to mention this in the opening. As do the articles for Harvard University: " Harvard's history, influence, and wealth have made it one of the most prestigious universities in the world." (first paragraph), Cambridge University ("Cambridge ranks second in the world in the 2012 QS World University Rankings...", third paragraph of the intro) and loads of other university articles. As a matter of fact the current intro has MORE of an "NPOV" than many other articles because it doesn't especially quote the highest rank ever received but just states that it's usually ranked within the top 100. (Copenhagen University for example spec. points out once being ranked 40)～～～～ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.109.231.20 (talk) 05:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

By all means, remove the word prestigious from those entries as well. 2001:6B0:B:609:9:0:0:1B9 (talk) 14:00, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Age of Lund University

At Lund University it is normally considered that the university was founded in 1666. This is also the view of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_early_modern_universities_in_Europe. Therefore should the first paragraph of the Lund University page be rewritten so that it is clear that Lund was the fifth university founded by Swedish kings, and only the second oldest university in present Sweden. It may be mentioned that there had been earlier schools in Lund - Lund was an important religious center in medieval Denmark - but these were not universities. Larswa (talk) 21:28, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

@Larswa: The predecessors of both Lund University and Uppsala University were founded as studia generale during the 15th century (Lund in 1425 and Uppsala in 1477), both of those schools were shut down (i.e. stopped teaching) in the first half of the 16th century because of the Protestant Reformation, and neither of them was re-established until much later (the original "privilegiebrev" establishing a Lutheran university in Uppsala was issued in 1595, but was fairly soon cancelled, and a new "privilegiebrev" wasn't issued until 1625, by Gustav II Adolf, and it wasn't until after that, that Uppsala University was really up and running...). Yet noone questions the official age of Uppsala University (even the Swedish authorities officially support the claim that the present Uppsala University is the same university as the one that was founded in 1477, in spite of the old Catholic studium generale having been shut down and the new Lutheran University not being up and running until 70-80 years later...), while people regularly complain about even mentioning that the studium generale in Lund was the first institution of higher learning in Scandinavia in the article about Lund University... Thomas.W talk 22:07, 23 July 2016 (UTC)

Interesting comment. Is there a literature reference on this? Larswa (talk) 05:31, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

According to Hastings, the Archbishop of Lund was given a bull by Pope Sixtus IV in 1475 authorizing him to establish a Studium generale at a place of his choosing. Both Lund and Roskilde applied to receive it. But, under pressure from Christian I, the Archbishop ended up applying it to found the University of Copenhagen, not Lund. The Archbishop of Lund promulgated the statutes of Copenhagen in 1479. Copenhagen was the SG under the Archbishop of Lund's patronage. But as far as I can tell, Lund itself did not have a SG or university until 1666.
Now some other authors mention that SG privileges were allegedly granted to Franciscans in Lund in 1438. But there is next-to-no evidence of an SG actually ever existing there. No statutes, no church records, no notes, no degrees or evidence of graduation, no treatment as an SG by others, etc. The only thing known about this possible "early Lund" are the names of two persons who claim to have been lecturers in Lund, one in 1486, another in 1495. Since there is no other evidence for its existence, it is commonly excluded from standard Medieval lists (not unusual - e.g. Modena is in a similar pickle.)
No one questions Uppsala because Pope Sixtus IV granted the SG bull in 1477, upon a petition from the Archbishop of Uppsala, and the bishops and clergy of Sweden. Although the first statutes of Uppsala are missing (presumably they were promulgated by the Archbishop Jakob Ulfsson on or shortly after 1477), the bull is clear. And we have evidence, from both church money records attesting to the existence of a professor of theology, a professor of law, and four regents of arts were established at Uppsala from the foundation year (1477) and students notes are extant showing that lectures in theology and arts (not sure about law) being taught from the start.
As to continuity, well, that is a matter of judgment. Nearly all Medieval universities had breaks in continuity, some more severe than others. Scholars don't count Protestant "refoundations" as "new" universities per se. But a 60-70 year gap might. I am not sufficiently aware of Uppsala's later history to attest to the length of interruption. But I have argued elsewhere that certain universities (e.g. Naples) should re-date their foundations because they were defunct for long periods. Of course, that is my opinion, and it counts for nothing to the PR divisions of the universities. But I don't see the the University of Lund itself insisting on anything but the 1666 date Lund site. Unless reliable sources can be deployed to prove otherwise, I would suggest correcting the founding date to 1666, as the University of Lund itself proclaims, and not making up dates of our own choosing. Walrasiad (talk) 07:57, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

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Boilersuits

I think it is worth to mention the habit of wearing boilersuits and to add a link to List of boilersuits. 85.194.12.118 (talk) 17:45, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

I am not sure how to fit this into the article

A professor of chemistry used an existing worldwide contract the university had with a security company to have a graduate student extracted, along with his wife and children, from ISIL-held territory by a team of four mercenaries. Orange, Richard (13 December 2018). "Swedish university rescues student from Isil warzone in daring mercenary raid". The Telegraph. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:11, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

Linc

The inklusion of Linc under student life is puzzling. It is in no way a fourth center of student life and if organizations that are important for a particular study subject are listed that list will become very long.

The inclusion of the three main pillars makes sense as they are a central aspect connected to all student life but addition of random ones of the many hundred student societies are not, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.233.139.104 (talk) 04:30, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi there, if there are any changes you wish to make to the article, feel free to be WP:BOLD and make them! You'll never find you are perfectly happy with someone else's changes, so it's probably better to go ahead and do them yourself Shadowssettle Need a word? 08:58, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
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