Talk:Lord Warden of the Stannaries

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Dead link[edit]

I've moved this external link from the article to here as the page is no longer responding

Stannary—Cornwall Online Cornish Stannary (Tin) Law and Institutions by Paul Laity Mammal4 09:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Found here http://www.kernowtgg.co.uk/laity.html will reinsert. -- billinghurst (talk) 12:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Current role of Lord Warden of the Stannaries[edit]

As the position is still appointed, it would be nice to state what is the function of the LW in the 21st century, even if it is ceremonial, which ceremonies? -- billinghurst (talk) 12:15, 12 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Who was appointed in 1852 as Deputy Warden?[edit]

Allow me to earn my username.

This article says that Edward Wynne-Pendarves was appointed Deputy Warden of the Stannaries in 1852. However, the article on Richard Temple-Nugent-Brydges-Chandos-Grenville, 3rd Duke of Buckingham and Chandos says that he was appointed in that year.

I have also posted this in the talk page of the R T-N-B-C-G article. IAmNitpicking (talk) 12:25, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Cornwall, England?[edit]

Am currently reading about Cornish history – the Stannaries gave Cornwall an extraordinary level of autonomy, e.g. powers to pass laws as if the Duchy were indeed a country separate from England. I know this is not an article about Cornish Nationalism per se, but in this historical context, wouldn’t it be fairer to the Cornish of that day and age (and now) to replace ”Cornwall, England” with ”Cornwall, Britain”? Telepanda (talk) 12:11, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, it was still part of England then. Britain has never been a single entity. Murgatroyd49 (talk) 13:44, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"It’s officially a Duchy and that’s the title recommended by the Kilbrandon Report back in 1973 to be used instead of “county”.

The imposition of official county status imposed on Cornwall in 1889 (a year after the rest of the country) was not lawful.

Interestingly, the Duchy Charters and other documents refer to the old Cornish Hundreds as “shires” and “counties”. Now, how can any county contain counties?"

I can find no de-jure joinder of Cornwall to England." (G.D.Flather QC, Boundary Commission 1988)."

"The whole territorial interest and dominion of the Crown in and over the entirety of Cornwall is vested in the Duke of Cornwall." Which makes Cornwall a separate realm, with a separate ruler.

See the "Duchy v Crown Foreshore Dispute 1855-59"; and "Bruton v the Duchy of Cornwall 2011". On both occasions, the High Court upheld this statement from then (1855) Attorney-General of the Duchy of Cornwall, Thomas Pemberton-Leigh.

The Duchy of Cornwall Estates are not the Duchy of Cornwall. It's just a private business of estates accrued over centuries attached to it, and absent from the three Duchy Charters of 1337-8. It would be a mighty strange private business that can:

1.) rule a nation;

2.) have the power to convene a fully legislative parliament;

3.) benefit from bona vacantia estates and bankrupt companies;

4.) have right of wreck and royal fish;

5.) appoint an Attorney-General and a Vice Admiral, as well as the High Sheriff (appointed by the Crown everywhere else but Cornwall).

The Duchy estates can do none of these, but the Duchy of Cornwall can, and does when it pleases them to do so. The Duchy of Cornwall last convened Cornwall’s parliament in 1752, and it can do so tomorrow if it wants.

It still appoints the officer whose job it is to do that when instructed: the Lord Warden of the Stannaries.

"There have been several disputes regarding the rights and status of the Duchy of Cornwall. Perhaps the most significant was that between the Duchy and the Crown between 1855 and 1859 over rights to the Cornish foreshore. This was settled, in favour of the Duchy, out of court and on the strength of a painstakingly researched submission by the Duchy’s Attorney-General, Thomas Pemberton-Leigh, and material gathered by his predecessor, Sir George Harrison.

"This asserted, and was accepted, that the Duchy was extra-territorial to the throne of England; and that all rights, powers and prerogatives enjoyed elsewhere by the Crown were, in Cornwall, wholly vested in the Duke who, to all intents and purposes, was quasi-sovereign: Head of State and ruler of Cornwall. The Crown, therefore, holds no jurisdiction in Cornwall and, during times when there is no living Duke, the Crown holds the Duchy in trust, but is not permitted to make decisions regarding its structure or function. As A.L. Rowse commented, there may not be a Duke of Cornwall, but there is always a Duchy. The Duchy remains distinct and unique. It owns Cornwall, either through an “allodial” right to the land, or because it owns the freehold to the whole of Cornwall. Under the terms of the Duchy Charters, agents of the Crown cannot operate in Cornwall without the express written permission of the Duchy." See "2016 County, Duchy, Nation or Country? The Case For Cornwall!""

https://dspace.plymouth.ac.uk/bitstream/handle/10026.1/8903/LCH_V4_2_05_Kirkhope.pdf?sequence=4

There are several legal papers on the subject, of which UK govts accepts that Kernow is not de jure England. 85.94.248.27 (talk) 07:15, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]