Talk:Little blue heron/GA1

GA Review

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Reviewer: Etriusus (talk · contribs) 23:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

I'll take on this review. It's alright if it's short, one of my own GAs (First National Bank Tower) is only 13k. The length by itself does not disqualify a GAN, though it can be an indication of it needing an AfD discussion/incomplete page. Obviously, AfD isn't applicable here. As long as the page is covered in substantial enough detail, it's fine. I'll give it an in-depth review and dig up some sources if applicableEtrius ( Us) 23:28, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Copy-vios

• Nothing notable on Earwig
• Spot checks found nothing

Images

• Ohhh, I like these a lot. All the images/video/audio are appropriate and very well done.
  • I didn't pick them, but I'm glad you like them.
• Image rights look good
• Speciebox image missing a caption/alt text, please add at least one
  •  Done
• MOS:SANDWICH, I'd recommend moving the left-side images to a gallery template in order to de-clutter.
  • I reorganized them around the page. Tell me if that's okay or if I should follow your original advice.
    • For the purposes of GA review, this looks good enough. Seeing the amount of info that can be included, I expect these will get stretched out. Etrius ( Us) 01:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

Sources

• Non are dead-links upon manual review
• All seem reasonably reliable
• I strongly recommend archiving the sources with IABot
  •  Done

Stability

• Nothing exciting

Prose

Lead

• ' New World' bit of a strange/old-timey term. Just say N & S America
  •  Fixed

Taxonomy

• This is way too short.
  • Short is not necessarily a bad thing. I don't think there's too much more relevant information that can be included. I added a bit anyway.
• avibase has a really good list of all its classifications, at least one is missing from this page.
  • The name Florida caerulea is mentioned, however I can find no authority for it (and believe me, I've looked). Mostly appears in older sources. I'm not sure what WP policy is for such a case.
• Do you have any information on how it became known as "little blue heron"?
  • I can't find any.

Distribution and Habitat

• No mention of migration patterns?
  •  Done
• FN 3 has a description of their habitat and some migration pattern info
  •  Done
• more general info on habitat and other facts

Description

• try this source]
  • I accidentally found and used it independently while editing, so definitely  Done

Behavior and Ecology

• Reproduction and life cycle looks very well done
• [ https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Don-Forrester/publication/279448307_Parasitic_Helminths_of_the_Little_Blue_Heron_Egretta_caerulea_in_Southern_Florida/links/5592e27408ae1e9cb42980e6/Parasitic-Helminths-of-the-Little-Blue-Heron-Egretta-caerulea-in-Southern-Florida.pdf for the predation/parasitization section]
  • I did stumble across this already, but I wasn't sure how much was actually useful/relevant.
    • [1] There's a fair bit of information on nesting paracites. I'd argue with worth including. Etrius ( Us) 04:52, 4 October 2022 (UTC)
      •  Done

Misc sources to consider

• nhpbs]
  • This doesn't really seem to have anything beyond what's covered by other sources.
• audubon]
  •  Done

Comment: I'll stop myself here. Google Scholar comes up with A Lot of good sources to use. A cursory glance finds info about their breeding patterns, nesting, migration, and much much more. There is a lot that can be added to this page but I have faith you can manage. Per usual, I'll put the page on hold (until Oct, 11th). If you need any help or clarification, please let me know. Etrius ( Us) 01:36, 4 October 2022 (UTC)

I adressed more of the issues and also found an interesting study about a regional variety in San Blas, Nayarit, Mexico. It's from 1968, so tell me if you think it's too outdated, but I figured the information would still be fine. --An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 00:53, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

I've fixed everything I could, Etriusus. My bad for not noticing I'd used one of your recommendations. Aside from the scientific name confusion, the article should be almost ready. --An anonymous username, not my real name (talk) 22:05, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

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Continued review

@An anonymous username, not my real name, I still have some pretty large concerns with the overall broadness of the page, unfortunately. This page is still very far off from meeting criteria 3a. Additionally, the general layout needs serious work, as an uncomfortably large number of the sections are just 1-2 sentence blurbs. Overall, the page needs to be filled out substantially.

I'm going to stop agonizing over it and will have to fail the article. There just isn't enough substance to even give in depth MOS advise, since most of the page will likely need to be rewritten/restructured. I've spent a few days compiling sources so that you can better expand the page, as well as some general notes. This is not an exhaustive list, however, and the page will likely evolve away from my notes as info is added. I wish you the best on this page going forward and am happy to answer any questions/concerns you may have. If you would like help on this page, I am happy to provide it, schedule permitting. Etrius ( Us) 03:07, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Lead:

• Please add a 'not to be confused with' Great Blue Heron template
• If you haven't please review MOS:LEAD, there is a lot that should be added here to better summarize the page.

Taxonomy

• ITIS describes Carl Linnaeus as the authority for Florida caerulea. It additionally gives the Spanish and English common names which can be included, since its native to these regions. The article implicitly cites, but not explicitly, the English common name 'Little blue heron', please add it.
• This source also makes mention of the Florida caerulea designation.
• Audubon states its likely a close relative of the Snowy Egret
• Making mention of the Ardeidae family is not a bad idea either.

Hybrids

• avibase lists multiple other hybrids not brought up here. This source also lists Hydranassa caerulea as a synonym

Distribution

• recorded as a vagrant needs clarification of what vagrant means
• They can occasionally roam as far north as Canada. no source
• The delineation between Distribution and Habitat doesn't add much, consider merging

Behavior and ecology

• very in-depth paper on breeding habits and courtship rituals
• Why aren't parasites and predation under the 'threats' section?
• Twenty-four different species of helminths (parasitic worms) were found on 33 of 35 examined little blue herons in South Florida. These included trematodes, nematodes, acanthocephalans, and one cestode. The source for this alone could be expanded into an entire paragraph.
• importance of early locamotion in babies
• No mention of nesting colonies, it shows up in multiple sources and appears to be a very major component of their social/ecological dynamic.

Conservation

• more info in heavy metal poisoning
• The dangers faced by Egretta caerulea are not well researched close paraphrasing

Images

• The caption " while hunting for fish at Lake Apopka" is a bit vague, just say "at Lake Apopka" or reword.

General

• Excellent source with a lot if info missing from this page
• Paper on intra-species breeding competition
• foraging behavior, loss of habitat, very in-depth physical descriptions. You could rewrite much of the page with this source alone!!
• [2] Source is underutilized, there is a wealth of information in this report that can be added.

Good Article review progress box Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV () 3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant () Note: this represents where the article stands relative to the Good Article criteria. Criteria marked are unassessed

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