Talk:List of massacres in Canada

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2018 danforth shooting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.29.133.159 (talk) 16:34, 7 June 2022 (UTC)

Incomplete

"This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it." Really wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Youngdrake (talk • contribs) 17:35, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

How big is a massacre?

Most definitions of a massacre suggest that there must be "many" or "multiple" deaths rather than just one. Also the death of the perpetrator from law enforcement probably should not be counted in the massacre. That would eliminate the Dawson College shooting and the Parliament Hill shooting from this List. How high the var should be set is a matter of discussion. Dabbler (talk) 12:54, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

There's an interesting historical view on the subject here: http://www.massviolence.org/Massacre - needless to say "many" or "a great number" is not satisfied by a large number of the events listed in the article. There are also two common elements which appear in the definitions from various sources: indiscriminate nature of the killings (ie: not targeted at an identifiable group or goal) and that they are perpetrated by combatants on non-combatants. Media outlets use the term indiscriminately as it's a sensationalist word. When there is an identifiable group, according to the Criminal code of Canada, it's "genocide". By example, the so called "Montreal Massacre" was actually a genocide because it targeted women specifically. As mentioned, when perpetrated by civilians they are generally considered mass killings not massacres. The definition of mass killing varies, serial killings take place over multiple events, a spree killing takes place over multiple locations, a general mass killing takes place at a single location/event. Canadian law has no provisions related to "mass killings" beyond the definition of genocide and the eligibility of parole when convicted of multiple murders. In all, the word massacre is one that is far too ambiguous for such a list and should be changed to something specific and meaningful or delete the article entirely. 23.91.150.71 (talk) 18:35, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Seven. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:09, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Sorting by date

Sorting this by date sorts the date alphanumerically, rather than in chronological order. I don't know enough about Wikipedia to know the best way to fix this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.85.29.71 (talk) 01:12, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

What about this in Edmonton?

2 killed and many more wounded in knife attack http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/accused-in-loblaw-warehouse-stabbing-faces-more-charges-1.2557619 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:56A:F782:9D00:7007:A20E:F006:6C28 (talk) 22:31, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Too few killed to be classed as a massacre. Jim Michael (talk) 13:42, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Large number

The introduction says "the deliberate slaughter of a large number of people". Dawson College shooting involves two people killed: A man killed another and committed suicide. Is this event covered by the above definition of massacre? --176.239.106.107 (talk) 09:24, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

No, because although many people were injured, the number killed is nowhere near the level of a massacre. Jim Michael (talk) 13:45, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Category:Massacres in Canada inclusion criteria

For those interested, please see Category talk:Massacres in Canada#Inclusion criteria. Hwy43 (talk) 05:07, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

List needs an audit

See Category talk:Massacres in Canada#Inclusion requirements for a past discussion regarding the three I just removed. There are a lot of entries from the past 25 years that appear to be gross mischaracterizations or exaggerations for what a massacre truly is. The start of the article refers to articles for other similar events like school shootings, spree killings, etc. Much of these from the past 25 years appear to be more appropriate for inclusion at these other articles. In short, this article shouldn't be used as a catch all for all tragic events that are similar to or mischaracterized as massacres. Hwy43 (talk) 22:35, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Inclusion of Danzig Street shooting

Hwy43, Kyle1278, do you think that Danzig Street shooting should be included on the list? In brief: three gunmen opened fire (at each other) while in a crowd of 200, killing 2 and injuring 24. The fatalities were bystanders. It is generally reported as a mass shooting, and I've listed it there. I honestly don't feel it fits here but I thought I'd ask. – Reidgreg (talk) 21:13, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Toronto van attack

An IP attempted to add Toronto van attack to the list. Reading the top prose, I believe it rather belongs at List of rampage killers, under Vehicular homicide. Yngvadottir (talk) 03:07, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

• Seeing as someone else has added it back already, I will defend their actions by saying this attack does belong on this list. Within minutes, the perpetrator plowed through civilians, injuring 14 and killing 10. No doubt it also belongs on the List of rampage killers, but because it is on that list does not eliminate it from here. Lucky mac11 (talk) 13:24, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

massacre in canada

The List of Massacres in Canada does not include the Mayerthorpe Trajedy. On March 3, 2005 James Roszko shot and killed 4 RCMP officers. Four officers ambushed and killed in the line of duty surely qualifies as a massacre. Respectfully, AL Stover

Nova Scotia killings

We should discuss whether or not this event -- the Nova Scotia killings -- belongs in this article. Apparently, some editors consider it a "massacre" and some do not. I think that -- regardless of pedantic wording and definitions -- this event should fall within the scope of an article like this. (Maybe that means we need to change the article title?). I don't think that the word "massacre" (in the title) was meant to eliminate an event like the 2020 Nova Scotia killings. Thanks. Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I see no reason it shouldn't be here. And Toronto van attack as well. Both easily meet the standard definition of massacre - The indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people. Nfitz (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

The current criteria of "one of the commonly accepted names includes the word massacres" is perhaps overly literal, but it also serves as a useful bulwark against editors trying to add each and every violent incident to the list— you can look at the page's history to see just how many smaller incidents have been culled from this page. While I do think the Nova Scotia killings belong on this page, it should only be added in accordance with a new criteria; simply adding it to the page as it stands will just open the page up to more bloat. — Kawnhr (talk) 20:10, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

Criteria does seem a bit literal ... but international media are often calling this a massacre. Examples one, two, [https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1728592451540 three; see also Nova Scotia massacre. There's examples for the North York van attack as well - here. Nfitz (talk) 03:14, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Being called a massacre isn't the same thing as "the commonly accepted name including the word massacre". It's the difference between saying "the massacre in Toronto" (adjective) or "the Toronto Van Attack was a massacre" (noun) and "the Toronto Massacre" (proper noun). Again, we need to change the wording; perhaps to something like This is a list of events in Canada which are commonly characterized as massacres. — Kawnhr (talk) 17:07, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

You missed a couple of words there in your quote which does expand it a bit. What it says is "..one of the commonly accepted names includes the word massacre". And I think it's quite clear to everyone what "Nova Scotia massacre" refers to. Nfitz (talk) 17:48, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, one of the commonly accepted names. It's not being used as part of a proper name in any of the links you supplied. — Kawnhr (talk) 17:59, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

The BBC article literally says "the country's worst gun massacre". Are they wrong? I don't know what lead to the unusual working at the top of this page, and what it was trying to prevent ... but it wasn't this. Nfitz (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

'Mechanism of Injury' column in the table

I wonder why when the attack is by First Nations persons against White People it is noted as "First Nations Violence" while when it is done by White People against the First Nations it is described as 'Civilian violence' ? Shouldn't we write 'White People Violence' instead? Seems logical. Dietrichdie2 (talk) 00:17, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Massacre Island

Massacre Island, Ontario is the putative site of a killing of 21 people on June 6, 1736. The event fits the criterion "slaughter in numbers" and the criterion "used in the name". However, there is dispute about location -- some say the site of the massacre is a different island which is now in the US. And there could be dispute whether this remote part of the Pays d'en Haut was part of "Canada" at the time. So: I intend to add it, but will wait a while to see whether there are objections. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 01:00, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Done, after seeing no objections. Peter Gulutzan (talk) 16:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)