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References to use[edit]

Films involving Deaf
The Portrayal of Disabilities in Movies and TV, "Deaf" section
Deaf film posters
DeafMovies.org: a list of films in ASL & other Sign Languages
Deaf characters in movies (IMDb user list to use as foundation)

References to use. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Copland (1997) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118887/

Solarbabies (1986) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solarbabies

Black Moon Rising (1987) https://books.google.com/books?id=fThBPcCI3h8C&pg=PA129&lpg=PA129&dq=black+moon+rising+deaf&source=bl&ots=JwMuFvNMJ7&sig=On6DJKZgF3uDY4sTATSc1qNTDOQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjl4ujD0M7JAhUF5SYKHatICL4Q6AEIOjAH#v=onepage&q=black%20moon%20rising%20deaf&f=false

Mystic River (2003) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0327056/synopsis

A Nightmare on Elm Street 6: Freddy's Dead (1991) http://www.filmsite.org/series-nightmare6.html

Possibilities. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Like Water for Chocolate is another candidate, though I can't seem to find a source that's about the element in the film and not the book. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:20, 6 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Removed films[edit]

While the Lerner source identified these films, I could not find anything else detailing such characters in these films. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 20:41, 27 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]

To be fixed asap[edit]

Can you please clarify what you mean with "And use of "pretend" seems rather POV here"? It is all based on facts, these hearing actors were pretending to be deaf. Noldeify143 (talk) 01:49, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Noldeify143, yes, the list states when a hearing actor has played a deaf character. However, your edit removed films from the main list, implying that they do not count because of the hearing actors. This is unnecessary, especially because the multiple reliable sources listing such films don't ignore these films. I do endorse writing about Deaf cinema and #DeafTalent. For identifying authentic representations, though, maybe there could be a list of deaf film actors instead? We could do something like name their first film or most notable film and link to each person's filmography so readers can see what else they have been in. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 02:03, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Erik I appreciate your effort in working on this page and keeping an eye on it. Please note that it is not just about the acting, it goes beyond that considering the fact that no single deaf person was involved in the project. Multiple reliable sources? Let's keep in mind that these films received enough attention at that time when deaf people's voices weren't listened yet. Like it states in your page "The world of the deaf has received little attention in film. Like blindness... it has been misused as a plot gimmick in syrupy romances." These films, yes should be on the list, but on the another one, where I've placed, these films deserve less visibility. Have you read Schuchman's book (it is in the biography of your page)? Have you watched most of these films? My arguments are always based on academic references and collective analysis of each film.

Here's a piece of Schuchman's book about Johnny Belinda (1948) https://books.google.it/books?id=fThBPcCI3h8C&pg=PA53&lpg=PA53&dq=schuchman+johnny+belinda&source=bl&ots=JxJnIvODJ_&sig=K-mylxJcsjHhN_wN6DCcaapizko&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjip8Pf84DYAhUIchQKHaUWA6cQ6AEIODAB#v=onepage&q=schuchman%20johnny%20belinda&f=false I hope it helps getting a clearer picture Noldeify143 (talk) 02:29, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Noldeify143, I agree that we need to write about the lack of deaf participation in making films that have deaf characters. That does not mean that it is warranted to dump hearing-playing-deaf examples into the "See also" section. The multiple reliable sources I mention do not separate it out like that. The list shows a wide range of films that have shown deaf or hard of hearing characters, from horrible portrayals to the very best. The best way to tackle this topic, I think, is through prose, and you seem to be doing that with Deaf cinema. We can add mention of that in the list article's lead section so readers can go on to explore the context of deaf representation and inclusion in film.

Lastly, I have not read Schuchman's book. I included it in the "Bibliography" section as material for further reading, but I do have the book and see that there are still more films that could be added to the list. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 04:24, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Erik Adding Deaf cinema would be helpful. However, it would not be the same since the list of movies that you are mentioning are on the top of the search engine. This is giving incorrect info or better disorienting big production houses as if to say that regardless of who they invest, movies are still fine. Even nowadays. Last one was done in Wonderstruck (2017) with Juliane Moore: she, herself, took the main deaf role. Every article, obviously written by hearing journalists, was complimenting her for taking a step to learning sign language for the film without realising that this is an old chapter to the deaf community. The only TV channel led by deaf people explains it https://www.facebook.com/TruBizEnt/videos/386460895106188/ Moore has been using sign language for a total of 20 min...Millicent Simmons even though was in the film, did not take any speaking role, and was just writing notes. Your list of movies is giving visibility to any film, it does not make a difference to you, but deaf people even the professional ones, have to pay for your mistakes. Furthermore, many of these films such as Jerry Maguire (1996) feature a deaf character in just seconds. No one would want to watch an entire film, noting related to deafness, just to see a deaf character showing up for seconds. For something like that, I would send you an interminable list of films. That would definitely disorient everyone and say that there are so many deaf films when really there are not. I would suggest you to do something about it. Noldeify143 (talk) 11:19, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Noldeify143, I agree that Wonderstruck was problematic. We can expand that listing to discuss the criticism of Moore and expand other listings for which there are sources available. Again, we can also expand the lead section discussing that lack of deaf involvement and the related problems. This list is intended to be historical and comprehensive, not to right great wrongs, as much as I understand the drive to ensure #DeafTalent. Sources like The SAGE Deaf Studies Encyclopedia are providing a comprehensive list of films, and Wikipedia is only following suit in listing them too. I'm trying to think of what other approaches can be done here. What about a "Deaf actor(s)?" column where it says "Yes" or "No", and the reader can sort by them? Furthermore, maybe Deaf cinema would be better at Deaf film? I think "Deaf cinema" may be a less common term. Remember that you recently created that article too, so "Deaf cinema/film" would be near the top of search engine results with this list given time. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 12:41, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Erik Two are the options. One would be creating a new page with title "List of Deaf films" where I would categorise two groups, first one based on list of films that meet the criteria of the Deaf cinema: written, produced or directed by deaf people and leading actors are deaf or written, produced or directed by hearing people but leading actors are deaf. Only for that there is a table. Second one would fall in the category of the "Cinema of the deaf": generally produced written, directed by hearing people and hearing actors take the main role, faking the deaf role, or deaf actors play their part but in very minor roles. For that there is a very long list. Second option would be for us to use this approach in your page. As for the page Deaf Cinema which is a movement, it stays as it is, I cannot transfer it to Deaf films because this is the term that has been using until now outside Wiki Noldeify143 (talk) 13:02, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think List of Deaf films would be great, especially because the capitalized D makes the cultural distinction. I could add a hatnote (see WP:HATNOTE) saying that this list is intended to be historical and that for films by Deaf cinema, to see that list that you suggest. Like I mentioned, given time, both lists (as well as your prose article) will be on the top of search engine results and inter-linked so readers can go back and forth however they want to. Let me know if you'd like any feedback for either. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 13:13, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The issue here is the presence of a "visual" list of film posters that we see on the search engine coming from your table. More than cultural distinction it is about direct or partial representation. Most films that are on your list have zero representation. Let's help each other feeding the pages. Noldeify143 (talk) 13:23, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the "visual" list was there before this was created (last October). I'm not sure how Google puts it together, but it may be a general issue with their approach not making any distinction with such movies. At least when I add a hatnote here, it can serve as a road sign to point to other articles that discuss Deaf cinema. I'll see about working on this list article's lead section to discuss the problems of deaf representation more, as I am sure there are more sources discussing that. It will help clarify that the history of films portraying the deaf have not been good. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 13:32, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Noldeify143, I added a hatnote linking to the other two articles as seen here. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:27, 11 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Silent Child[edit]

Profoundly deaf British girl Maisie, aged 6, makes Oscars shortlist with sign language film

Film to be added. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Creed II[edit]

Regarding Creed II:

Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:31, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

A cult film[edit]

Hello! I just found this list. There is a film called Gummo that features some background characters who are deaf or hearing impaired. I have serious doubts that I can find a source that mentions this, but I wanted to put this out here in case someone can identify a source before I'll be able to get to it.

The scene opens in a bowling alley. A man and woman are sitting at a table and are angrily communicating with their voices and gestures. The camera pans over to 3 main characters at another table who discuss that the couple must be arguing about something. Those characters are there while they are out passing out flyers regarding their missing cat. Kirby777 (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

List of films[edit]

Could someone with the knowledge please add a column for the variety of sign language (ASL, BSL, JSL etc) used in each film? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.152.244.84 (talk) 08:57, 19 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone add “ Sound of Metal”?[edit]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_of_Metal 67.81.163.229 (talk) 13:48, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, it is listed. The film are ordered alphabetically. It's between Sound and Fury and Soundtrack. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 16:02, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Black Summer (Film)[edit]

It has a Deaf character in it and Im surprised its not listed on this list. 2001:8003:B05A:5200:DC82:ACA2:CF6D:AC28 (talk) 07:08, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extraction 2[edit]

The Surprising Way Extraction 2 Gets The 'Disabled Villain' Stereotype Right

Thanks, Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 21:55, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Page terminology "The deaf"[edit]

I am not 100% sure but just wanted to raise the question of whether "the deaf" is the best use of terminology to describe D/deaf people. To me, "the deaf" gives similar connotations to "the disabled" which is seen as an outdated term to refer to disabled people/people with disabilities. Any thoughts about maybe changing this name are welcome. PitterPatter533 (talk) 10:38, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could move it to List of films featuring deaf and hard of hearing people? No objection to that. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:34, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]