Talk:List of closed railway stations in London

Issues brought over at Archive 1

GENERAL
Add more data and check it ("them" if you like).
"Replaced by" = Opened when listed station closed, or built later on same or nearby site on same track, not just a station down the road. "+/-" means "nearby".
"Replaced by" for station becoming Tramlink stop has "Tramlink stop" linked to the stop's WP article.
"Railway reference" usually the founding company. TM&WR has no WP article but some links get to the Sutton and Wimbledon.
"Grid Reference" Six figure grid ref (eg TQ320795) is neater than lat & long.
Co. name abbreviations have &s for "and"s whether officially used or not.
DEVONSHIRE STREET/GLOBE ROAD
The station at Devonshire Street was temporary until the terminus was completed. So it was put together in the 1860s. Globe Road railway station was opened in 1884, so it and Devonshire Street station, if ever called that, and wherever it was (no East London street now has the name) were not the same. One of many closed railway station details which need investigating.
KEW BRIDGE
If there was a second N&SWJR platform (wreckage might still be visible) it might not have been used since the short-lived service to Richmond via the Barnes curve in the 1860s.
OLD OAK LANE HALT
Was this a public station?.
Googling for Old Oak Lane Halt gives a picture claimed for its site with a single track (http://disused-rlys.fotopic.net/c883007.html). The lane itself is a road twisted into the tangle of lines at Willesden Jn.

Yes. "Course" has been added as reference, see also Both agree opened 1906 but closure by Acton history was 1947, by Course apparently 1948.--SilasW (talk) 16:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

SOUTHWARK PARK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:East_london_railway_1915.jpg given byPickle 23:06, 16 March 2007 (UTC) is a map but I had trouble reconciling the (relative) positions of Southwark Park Sta and South Bermondsey and also possible locations for Spa Road 1 and 2.

Getting really pernickety here but what is meant by "nearby" ? Bingham Road Halt/Station was built on an embankment which was removed and Addiscombe Tram Stop built on the levelled site. Is it the same location but 20ft lower or a different location as implied by the +/- ?--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 00:14, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

If I were at Twickenham Station (or on the bridge) I might say that the station used to be over there, and point west. At Addiscombe Tram Stop could I say that Bingham Road Halt was over here, and point up? Perhaps not as on Multimap Addiscombe Tramlink Stop is north of Bingham Road while Subterranea Britannica shows Bingham Road Halt south of Bingham Road. It's your neck of the woods, P o P, what is the evidence on the ground? The eye of Proximity the beholder.--SilasW (talk) 19:37, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

On that basis I have removed them. From personal recollection both station and tram stop were immediately to the south of Lower Addiscombe Road. The tram stop is just two coaches long and fits in between Lower Addiscombe Road and Bingham Road. The original station had its entrance in Lower Addiscombe Road but could take ten coach trains and hence extended well to the south of Bingham Road.--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I am embarassed to say that looking at photographs I can now see my memory was faulty and the entrance to the south of the platforms was in Bingham Road itself and that the +/- was originally correct. I have now reinstated this. Massive dose of humble pie required.--Pedantic of Purley (talk) 20:54, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Bringing to WP standards

Sources are needed. Trying to get the list in shape made it clear that if a mid 20th century book says XXX then XXX is not necessarily true. An example: Denby Marshall and others say L&SWR opened Waterloo, yet the station was Waterloo Bridge for its first few decades. One source often quoted (www.subbrit.org.uk) has many stations but some of its grid values do not tally with street.co.uk's location-to-grid converter (one seemed 3km off), even allowing that a station is not a point, that location descriptions may be vague and that street maps have a lack of precision. Subbrit is valuable but it tends to have typos, "Too" for "To", repeated blocks of text, and the odd date with a digit wrong (that's not surprising given how many contributors it has). My aim is, once the article has most stations listed, to have a few sessions at the British Library and the National Archives .

Links

1) This article, as a List, is not like one say on The Somali Sparrow where a good reference book might allow an editor to write it at a session. This article says it is incomplete.
It is.
Unearthing closed stations leads one a merry dance. More and more pop up from WP itself and other online sources; sometimes there's just a hint that there were platforms somewhere, sometimes The Literature reveals something.
As a Work in Progress it is easier to make as many entries as possible, even incomplete ones, then seek for their missing details. It is easier too to name a link and let the red words be a flag that it needs to be written.
2) The link for station ABC is usually [[ABC railway station|ABC]]. Sometimes that hits a redirect to [[ABC station|ABC]], I'd prefer the station article to get renamed (ABC railway station) with reverse linking if needed (Station articles badly need to follow one format) A rare case is where a "simple" name for an article redirects to the full form and prevents the immediate use of the "simple" name for a newly discovered closed station: as "Willesden railway station" redirects to "Willesden Junction railway station" and so the short-lived real Willesden railway station is misdirected.--SilasW (talk) 20:13, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Brixton tube station

The introduction to the article gives criteria for a replacement station which keep such a station as a replacement and not just one in locality that a traveller might use (whether going to the same or a different destination) or one which "stole" the closed station's trade. As such "Brixton tube station" does not replace another station in Brixton.--SilasW (talk) 10:39, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Course (1962) as source

Course (1962) was given as a source for some entries and I have added that book as a source where it agrees with what had been entered, even though it is likely that some of the unsourced information came indirectly from the book, which seems more informative than many smaller line and branch books. However it fails the touchstone test by not giving the name of the L&SWR station near central London as Waterloo Bridge but as Waterloo (That it was W B not W has been shown by reference to contemporary newspapers and original L&SWR timetables.)--SilasW (talk) 17:31, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Edits of 25 June

I added 2 minor details then found display was too wide and "+/-" in grid column run over into a second line when favorites list showed. I'd updated Microsoft, that seems to be cause of trouble as WP edit window now jumps about when any change is made in it. I've tried to get narrower columns by Small and line breaks but task is too long to complete now. Any suggestions?--SilasW (talk) 10:59, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Why sortable?

There seems no point in having this list sortable:

• Name may change, eg last few months of life may be found to have different name. Names are given with abbreviations (eg Rd) where space dictates.
• Place is a often a matter of parochical pride not substantive.
• Sort by Replacement of negligible value
• Dates confounded by double lives and inserted "?"s.
• Railway ref ill-defined and changeable as new Ry Lin/Co articles get written
• Source refs are multiple and in state of flux
• TQ sort meaningless. 3 digits are one way, 3 digits are 90^o off.--SilasW (talk) 14:04, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Commercial Dock(s)

There are unresolved matters about this station.

• Was it "Commercial Dock" or "Commercial Docks"? The list started with "Commercial Docks", gained a note that Course (1962) has "Dock". Dendy Marshall's History of the Southern Railway has "Commercial Dock" on p364 but "Commercial Docks" on p523.
• The article gave 1866 for closure, Dendy Marshall has 1 Jan 1867.
• Marshall has the later Southwark Park station on its site. The reference in Southwark Park railway station says "it replaced the Commercial Docks station slightly to its south" (whose south? SP's or CD's?)--SilasW (talk) 17:50, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Comparing maps [1] and [2], Commercial Docks station seems to have been further south-east (further away form Rotherhithe New Road). --Rumping (talk) 20:54, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Battersea Wharf

Little appears online about this station which might have been called "Pimlico" at some time. The West End of London and Crystal Palace Railway opened it in 1858 and sold their line when LB&SCR extended to Victoria in 1860. List of closed railway stations in Britain: B gives it as closing in 1860. This says "...to Battersea Wharf (called 'Pimlico') on the south bank of the Thames". It can easily be imagined that the Thames was not to be crossed by a minor railway company. Battersea Wharf for boats seems now to called Chelsea Bridge Wharf.--SilasW (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Poplar stations

Here it is 'Poplar (East India Dock Road) railway station' - but the article name does not have the 'Dock' - which from a web-search appears to be correct. Was the station known by both names (as some other stations are/were)? Otherwise consistency should be maintained. Jackiespeel (talk) 17:36, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

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Closed Railway Stations, London area.

Hi, you forgot Stoats Nest Road station. It was around the Coulsdon area. 2A01:4C8:465:F80:1:2:CF13:C96D (talk) 11:50, 6 May 2022 (UTC)