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Deletion

Of that list was proposed here. I strongly support getting rid of this mess, and replacing it with User:Piotrus/List of Poles. Criteria for inclusion in our list shoul be inclusion by a verfiable major publication, and honestly I'd just limit ourselves to Polski Słownik Biograficzny. Otherwise this list will be just a list equivalent of a Category:Polish people.-- Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus | talk  20:24, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Roman Polanski

Anyone think it is a bit of a stretch to have the French-born Jewish-Polish-American Polanski be a representative of Poles in Entertainment? Perhaps we could get someone more representative if an image is necessary at all. LeszekB 10:47, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Polanski lived in Poland for more than 20 years, he speaks Polish, and obtained his education in Łódź before emigrating. I'd like to know what other editors think. Nevertheless, the image seems hardly representative of the entire subsection lacking comparable photographs except for the one of Wajda. I'm removing it as per comment by User:LeszekB. --Poeticbent  talk  15:04, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks. He's Polish for sure, but just thinking we might be aiming too Americano with his image there. LeszekB 04:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

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Split?

I originally nominated this for deletion at AFD, but quickly withdrew the nomination. This list should probably be split into smaller lists based on the subsections within it. --Coredesat 10:06, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Why split "List of Poles" and not "List of French people" or any of the dozens of other national lists found in "Category:Lists of people by nationality"? Nihil novi 19:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
Note that list of Americans has been split already. Kappa 02:43, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Please read further comments on this at Portal_talk:Poland/Poland-related_Wikipedia_notice_board#List_of_Poles. Thanks. --Poeticbent talk 03:01, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
Which of the other 157 countries or ethnicities in "Category:Lists of people by nationality" have followed the American example?
There already is a "Category:Lists of Polish people" and a "Category:Polish people." There hardly seems need for a third list of lists of Polish people.
Nihil novi 04:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Move "Sports"

I suggest that the huge "Sports" section be moved to the end of the article. It seems to take forever to get past it to more interesting sections. Nihil novi (talk) 22:30, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

  • Support. Some subsections could also be divided into more colums (1→2→3) for comparable length. --Poeticbent talk 22:51, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
Dividing some "Sports" subsections into more columns is a good idea. Nihil novi (talk) 00:21, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Looks much better now with the sportsmen condensed, but I would still move them after the kings, politicians, criminals and fictional characters. Nihil novi (talk) 03:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Go right ahead. --Poeticbent talk 05:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm missing the technical knowledge to do it efficiently. Perhaps someone could actually do it, who does possess the expertise? Nihil novi (talk) 07:02, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 Done --Poeticbent talk 07:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you! The article looks much better now. Nihil novi (talk) 08:43, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

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English Wiki

Please be aware that this is the english wikipedia. Hence, people should be referred to by the names common in the english-speaking world, if they differ from their polish name. This list suffers from the fact that the editors seem to prefer the polish names. E.g., nobody uses Skłodowska for Marie Curie, I'm afraid. BTW, the 'mixed heritage' given for 'fairness and accuracy' appears to be a quite random thing... --Dagox (talk) 16:38, 23 April 2008 (UTC)


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Nicolaus Copernicus

Why is Nicolaus Copernicus listed on List of Poles? I have a great respect for all nationality. And, I asked the question in good faith. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 09:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Because if he was any nationality, he was a Pole. Check any non-Wiki reference :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 11:31, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
Well, according to many references, Copernicus was a Pole. Many call him Polish astronomer. However, some call him a German. Nicolaus Copernicus was rated as 108th greatest German by Unsere Besten. Masterpiece2000 (talk) 08:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
If the Germans had been really serious about him, they would have made him number one. Nihil novi (talk) 08:57, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
If the Germans suddenly vote Martin Luther King the 216th greatest German, will he automatically become a German and ceise being American? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.62.3 (talk) 18:04, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

There are evidence that Copernicus was both a German and a Pole. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.164.207.40 (talk) 15:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

This "List of Poles" includes nearly everybody, for example Dan Marino. -- Matthead  Discuß   10:56, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The neutrality of this article is disputed

This article does not cite any references or sources. It includes many figures of other nationalities and needs to be weeded out thoroughly. It is not acceptable that anybody who is of partial Polish ancestry or allegedly knows some Polish language is claimed as Pole. -- Matthead  Discuß   11:06, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Matthead-if we would name it List of ethnic Poles, as your reasoning to me seems to indicate that you view the criteria by ius sanginus. Through most of time in Polish history the definition of a Pole though included people of shared cultural roots and background rather then strict ethnic criteria.--Molobo (talk) 19:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

This article is based on Polish Slownik biograficzny - a liberal translation would be people that took part in Polish history, a bit more conservative translation people who are defined as Poles by modern Polish textbooks. Anyway, more than a third of people in the "Slownik" did not considered them selves being ethnic Poles, to say the least, I do not want to guess how many of them did not want to be related to as people of Polish nationality.--Lokyz (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Hi Lokyz-this isn't a list of ethnic Poles. Polish identity was always beyond the concept of ethnicity and into cultural sphere of Polish realm--Molobo (talk) 21:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
Ah, I might be mistaken, please correct me if I'm wrong - isn't it a fork of this? --Lokyz (talk) 22:09, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

New additions

When adding a new name to the article List of Poles, first, make sure that the identity of that person is defined by what’s actually written in Wikipedia article, not by what you know. Second, make sure that the article of interest to you is well referenced in order to comply with Wikipedia:Verifiability guideline. Third, if the article is a stub with nothing to read, the link probably shouldn’t be here anyway. Fourth, make sure that the name isn't listed here already. You can do that by using the top menu of your browser while in Wikipedia editing Preview mode. Please select “Search” (Znajdź) from “Edit” (Edycja) at the top of your screen and type the name in. Sometimes just a few letters will do if the name includes diacritics, or use only the first name with the initial. Your attention to detail will take a load off the shoulders of other Wikipedians who gained some experience already. Thank you.

--Poeticbent talk 15:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Contentious

I’ve removed contentious oddity not in any of the following: List of Austrians, List of Germans, List of Hungarians, List of Czechs, List of Slovaks, List of Slovenians, Lists of Jews, List of Czech and Slovak Jews, List of Austrian Jews, List of Icelanders, List of Russians, List of Norwegians, List of Swiss people, List of Ukrainians and missing from dozens upon dozens of other lists. No criminals please. --Poeticbent talk 21:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Why so? If they are notable they should be included. Similar lists do exist [1][2][3] and no big fuss is made about it. M0RD00R (talk) 21:52, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Exactly. And the human psyche is so strangely constructed that it will retain an association between an ethnicity and a notoriety but forget or gloss over — if not perversely revel in — the nature of the notoriety. Nihil novi (talk) 22:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Let's wait for a broader feedback. The list of corresponding articles mentioned above is a good indication of the going trend. --Poeticbent talk 22:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Nihil novi, you've opened up the same old can of worms with this edit. Niewiadomski (a political assassin) can be listed under "Others" or "Politics", but without us creating a precedence for every little psychopath in the process. --Poeticbent talk 01:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
If you choose to place the political assassins Ignacy Hryniewiecki and Eligiusz Niewiadomski under "Politics" or in the Sports "Others" section, I will not object. But surely any self-respecting country's list of notables should also include a "Criminals" section? Nihil novi (talk) 02:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I'm sure you don't mean to say that none of the countries listed by me at the top of this section are therefore "self-respecting". Please note that in the List of Russians a sniper is listed under Military. In the List of Norwegians a serial killer is listed in the so called other categories. In the List of Ukranians a political criminal is listed under politicians and so on. There's no need for extra advertising. --Poeticbent talk 14:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Do you propose, then, to place the political assassins under "Politics," rendering them politicians, or under "Sports (others)," making them sportsmen (presumably hunters)?
MORDOOR does have a point, in reminding us above of the Serbian, Croatian and Jewish lists of rogues, outlaws and criminals. Any country has these, and in totally passing them over or concealing them among respectable citizens we risk creating an unrealistic portrait that undermines credibility. At least a few of the more (in)famous characters should, perhaps, be considered — including the assassins. Nihil novi (talk) 19:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Please take a closer look at what I did already. Hryniewiecki and Niewiadomski are listed under Spies and assassins, a small expansion on the already existing section Spies. --Poeticbent talk 19:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
"Spys and assassins"? What do they have in common? it sounds just weird.Why not "Artists and assassins"? (Quite a few assassins were artists , you know). I think there is no need to create arbitrary WP:SYN categories.M0RD00R (talk) 22:47, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
The choice isn't accidental. Spies and assassins are usually kept together in databanks, along with terrorists. See Turner Broadcasting System, A Time Warner Company: "Terrorists, Spies, Assassins" or BBC Homepage: "Terrorists, Spies and Assassins" etc. --Poeticbent talk 23:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Why not a separate class, "Assassins"? Nihil novi (talk) 01:04, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

What a strange article

What a strange article, I wonder what its purpose might be. And what is the criteria of including a person in the list ? --Lysytalk 09:36, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Agreed - this is retarded! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.211.101.82 (talk) 21:54, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Think of it as a panoramic sampling of highlights of Polish history and accomplishment, for those who otherwise would have no inkling of it. Nihil novi (talk) 11:39, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
How do the criminals fit here, then ? I couldn't find sections on criminals e.g. in the List of Germans or List of Jews. Why here ? --Lysytalk 12:45, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
They fit because they are notable. M0RD00R (talk) 12:54, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Notable for Polish history and accomplishments ? Or are you aiming at something else ? Have you wondered why the German or Jewish lists do not mention notable criminals ? --Lysytalk 13:00, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
Notable because of their criminal acts. Simple as that. Regarding WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS (or doesn't) arguments I've stopped worrying about it long time ago. M0RD00R (talk) 13:57, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Anyway this article shouldn't exist, categories are enough, and do the job better. M0RD00R (talk) 14:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I think so, too. Waste of time, and resources to maintain it (as well as other similar lists). --Lysytalk 14:22, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Why do you think there is a List of Germans? Why the inter-ethnic fights on Wikipedia and elsewhere for ownership of Copernicus, Domeyko, Piłsudski, even Chopin, Maria Skłodowska-Curie and Stefan Banach? Publicity is important in our world, and even bad publicity is preferable to none (hence the argument for including prominent criminals). I think this is more evident to Polonia than to Poles living in Poland. At annual celebrations around the world, ethnic groups seek, among other things, to bring attention to their notable figures in science, technology, the arts, religion, government, the military and business. Nihil novi (talk) 21:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is a good question remembering the problems with accepting Adam Mickiewicz (supposedly Frankist), and Czeslaw Milosz, who could not have found it's last resting place for a week (please correct me if I'm wrong). I do not even dear to remind why Gabriel Narutowicz was shot by Endecja patriot.--Lokyz (talk) 00:18, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
I was not aware that Czesław Miłosz had encountered difficulties getting buried in Poland. If you make a public proposal that his remains be repatriated to Lithuania, I will not oppose it.
Given Adam Mickiewicz's popularity in Poland, Lithuania, Belarus and elsewhere, perhaps arrangements could be made with Wawel Cathedral to place his remains in a well-reinforced coffin and send it touring to these countries on a rotating basis.
Eligiusz Niewiadomski, the assassin of Poland's first president, Gabriel Narutowicz, was indeed mentally-deranged, as I have documented at the Narutowicz article per your request. Nihil novi (talk) 01:56, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Nicolaus Copernicus

Nothing speaks of Copernicus’ convictions as clearly as the fact that, according to Wikipedia's own article: “During the war between the Teutonic Order and the Kingdom of Poland (1519-24), Copernicus, at the head of [Polish] royal troops, successfully defended Allenstein (Olsztyn) besieged by the forces of Albert of Brandenburg. – To claim, that he wasn’t Polish enough, would be like turning back (or at least trying to jam) the wheels of history. The recent revert war seems most puzzling to me under such circumstances. --Poeticbent  talk  04:35, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Interesting argument. If taking part in the power struggles between the Order, cities, church and king qualifies Copernicus as Pole, many of the military figures of List_of_Poles#Military have to be moved to others lists. Go ahead, do so then. -- Matthead discuß!     O       17:14, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
(Personal attack toward Poeticbent removed) (in this edit by Poeticbent himself. -- Matthead  Discuß   21:53, 6 January 2010 (UTC))
Copernicus was born and lived in Land of Prussia, Latin Terra Prussiae, as it is recorded in old records, including his own handwriting, where he describes his homeland as Prussia. Copernicus was a man of the church, a canon, Domherr. Churchmen themselves were forbidden to arm. The citizens of Allenstein (or Allensteyn as he himself wrote it in his records) protected their city and they protected the independence of the Prince-Bishopric of Ermland or Warmia, which was one of the for prince-bishoprics of Prussia. Ainan 6-2-2007 (The preceeding unlinked comment as of 05:51, 3 June 2007 was added by User:75.8.225.41)

Polish mother, but born elsewhere

Is André_Citroën, born from a Polish mother in Paris, still Polish? His father was Dutch, and they had married in the Netherlands. Classical geographer (talk) 13:01, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

I would agree - he was clearly French born and fro the rest of his life - so will remove him--Rumping (talk) 10:21, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

Well known persons of Polish descent

There are already lists of Polish Americans, British and Brasilians. But what about all those well known persons of Polish descent in other countries? One way or another for instance a name like Trotzki should also be on such a list. Maybe a new article or a special section in this list could give an interesting and informative total overview of in principle all well known persons of Polish descent in other countries. (This here might be on it too: [4]). VKing (talk) 04:57, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Other names that obviously point to Polish ancestry, but don't occur on the existing lists are:
Tchaikovsky, Radetzky (von Radetz), Grabovski , Grabowski, Kandinsky, Lewinsky, Water Ski (hm?), Spassky. VKing (talk) 06:57, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Article Requests

Chemistry

Computer Science

Engineers and Inventors

Entertainment

Fine arts

History

Literature

Poetry

Linguists

Music

Mathematicians

Physics

Sports

Athletics (track and field)

Boxing

Chess

Fencing

Weightlifting

Sports (Other)

Philosophy

Science (Other)

Spies

Criminals

  • Karol Kot, serial killer, known as "Vampire from Cracow"
  • Leon Czolgosz... was reportedly Czech, and therefore incorrectly labeled in Polish criminals.

Czolgosz' identity seems confusing because of the remark made by Isaac Taylor in 1901 [5] about the pronounciation of the double consonant in his name similar to the word Czech. Czolgosz was born American though. The article Leon Frank Czolgosz does not provide verifiable information about his background except for a Wikipedia mirror called experts.about.com which ought to be deleted. I'm removing his name from the list. --Poeticbent  talk  06:03, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Other


Alpha order?

The table of contents could do w/some re-arranging. Alpha order, for example, is what is most typical at corresponding pages. At this point, it does not seem to follow any consistent approach. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

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i thinik this is just stupid, to create articles, lists as this one. to broad scope. and.. what about 'list of spainish' for example ? is there any ? __192.166.203.10 (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there is: "List of Spaniards". Nihil novi (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Also, "List of Germans". Nihil novi (talk) 18:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Even a "List of Germans of Polish origin". Nihil novi (talk) 18:35, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

"Engineering" and "Invention"

This article's "Engineering" and "Invention" sections appear to cover pretty much the same field of endeavor. For example, Józef Tykociński, inventor of sound film, definitely an engineer, is listed in the "Invention" section.

Could we combine the two fields as a single field of "Engineering"? Nihil novi (talk) 23:17, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

  • Support. For example, the List of Germans has a single category for both. It is called "Scientists and engineers". The same with the List of Spaniards, listed under the title "Science and technology". Meanwhile, Invention, by our own definition, is a creative proces frequently used by scientists, therefore a combined section, in my opinion, should rather be named "Engineering and Invention" in order to broaden the scope of both. Poeticbent talk 01:11, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Proposal

I propose that to try to salvage this mess, we limit the list to only 5 entries in each category, and we chose which entries through vote. This system is roughly modeled on WP:VITAL. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 21:13, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

On the contrary, the present List of Polish people provides a convenient overview of accomplishments of the Polish people. Some analogous lists for other nationalities (see samples of previous discussions, reproduced below), list dozens of individuals within a single category. Why should this article be weaker?
True, some relatively minor figures might be dropped from the List of Polish people, but why create a national caricature via over-zealous purging of individuals? Nihil novi (talk) 01:55, 2 January 2013 (UTC)


Why do you think there is a List of Germans? Why the inter-ethnic fights on Wikipedia and elsewhere for ownership of Copernicus, Domeyko, Piłsudski, even Chopin, Maria Skłodowska-Curie and Stefan Banach? Publicity is important in our world, and even bad publicity is preferable to none (hence the argument for including prominent [assassins and terrorists]). I think this is more evident to Polonia than to Poles living in Poland. At annual celebrations around the world, ethnic groups seek, among other things, to bring attention to their notable figures in science, technology, the arts, religion, government, the military and business. Nihil novi (talk) 21:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)


i thinik this is just stupid, to create articles, lists as this one. to broad scope. and.. what about 'list of spainish' for example ? is there any ? __192.166.203.10 (talk) 13:49, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there is: "List of Spaniards". Nihil novi (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Also, "List of Germans". Nihil novi (talk) 18:34, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
Even a "List of Germans of Polish origin". Nihil novi (talk) 18:35, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

I am sorry, I agree with the anon this list is too broad in scope to be useful, a problem compounded by the fact it suffers from the constant POV and vanity pushing. If you want to review the accomplishments of the Polish people, Category:Polish people is at least more comprehensive, through of course still 90% or so incomplete. An article about contributions of Poland to world's culture or contributions of Poland to world's science may be useful, too. This list is a very poor proxy for that. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:59, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

What are these red, nonexistent things? Nihil novi (talk) 05:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Umm, red links indicating articles to create? --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:12, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

No red links

I propose this simple rule: no red links (uncreated articles) in this list. If you want to add somebody, at least stub them. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:13, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Ben Pakulski

I recently added Ben Pakulski, who is an IFBB pro bodybuilder. He competes in the Mr. Olympia and Arnold competitions, and I've worked hard on his wikipedia page. I recently had it [removed from this list] with the rationale that Pakulski was a "tad too Canadian". At this time, I would like an open discussion on this, because I believe we should add Ben Pakulski to the page.--Frankzipho (talk) 20:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Please see my comment at #Not_for_second_generation. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:16, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Not for second generation

Let me know if this was discussed before, but I think that second generation (people born outside broadly defined Poland to Polish parents) should not be here. Thus I have removed the following: Walter Golaski, Richard Woytak and Frank Piasecki. Now, they could be added to a list of Polish-American people or such - no prejudice against that. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:15, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Richard Woytak was born in Poland to Polish parents, and published papers and books on the history of Poland in the World War II era, in English and Polish, in the United States and in Poland. Nihil novi (talk) 07:28, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Ah, fair enough, feel free to restore. It would be nice to expand his bio. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 07:43, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
Robert Kowalski is missing place of birth, and other than that, nothing connects him to Poland (graduate of Uni of Warsaw, but so are dozens of exchange students each year...). I'll remove him in a little while unless Polish place of birth can be verified. PS. Same for Andrew Odlyzko. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:35, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

I am not sure if Scharwenka can be described as Polish. See Talk:Xaver_Scharwenka#Nationality. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:42, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Another one: Talk:Balthus#Polish-French.3F. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 10:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Roland Topor - was he born in Poland? Otherwise no connection (2nd gen). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:51, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Michael Marks - Polish Jew, or Russian Jew? Neither en nor pl wiki make any claim regarding Polish ethnicity. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:37, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

I still wonder to what degree we can consider "Polish" people who left Poland at a very early age: Samuel Goldwyn, Gila Golan. Either way I'll remove those two, the list is overbloated as it is without such "dubious" Poles. (I'd be happy to see them restored if I am shown a single source where they identify themselves as Poles). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:56, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Return to previous name

What about returning back to the previous page name, ie "List of Poles" ? --Robsuper (talk) 12:47, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm for it: 3 syllables instead of 6! Thanks for making the suggestion. I hope it gets implemented. Nihil novi (talk) 05:18, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Actually, I like the new name. Makes me think of the List of French people, as oppose to the List of Czechs for example. The List of Polish people has a nice ring to it. Poeticbent talk 05:41, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
The reason why the French list departs from the Czech list and the original Polish list is purely linguistic: to approximate the first two, the French list would have to read "List of Frenchmen," which would upset some feminists. There is a "Pole," a "Czech," a "German," a "Belgian," a "Scot," a "Spaniard," an "Italian," a "Bulgarian," a "Serb," but not a "French" (or an "English" or a "Dutch"). Nihil novi (talk) 06:31, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Miłosz would say that this is much more than a matter of taste probably. For example, if Czechs were spelled Checks, I would prefer our entry to be named the List of Check people, as oppose to the List of Checks. The List of Poles used to exclude telephone poles and other inanimate objects, but the List of Polish people does not have to do that anymore. Poeticbent talk 14:01, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
The standard word for a Polish person is "Pole." Thus by rights the list's name should be "List of Poles" — as with the analogous "List of Czechs," "List of Germans," "List of Belgians," "List of Scots," "List of Spaniards," "List of Italians," "List of Bulgarians" and "List of Serbs."
Brevity trumps absolute unequivocality. We rely on context for meaning all the time. No one is going to confuse the word "sole," in the meaning of "only," with "sole" as a variety of fish. And the "Federation of Poles in Great Britain" is clearly not an organization of telephone poles. Nihil novi (talk) 17:11, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
You made an interensting point alas on the sidelines. Sole is not the sole meaning of sole. I solely support that, but not the other thing. Anyhow, I think we could use some more feedback from Poles and non-Poles alike. Poeticbent talk 18:15, 3 November 2012 (UTC)::
Thank you for a lively response to this entry. Just as interlocutors above the proposed name change was preceded by "own investigation" as to the meanings and sounds of some words in English language. Let's look at: Finland, Finns, finnish - if this rule is to consider for Poland then we could obtain: Polles, pollish. However these words are not present in English - while Pole is the existing word. I think there is no reason to fear serious interference with the word "pole". I also believe that by leaving the current name we may degrade somewhat the position of the word "Pole" in the described context, as well as in other contexts. --Robsuper (talk) 21:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
And in oral communication, in a context pointing specifically to inhabitants of Finland, no one is likely to confuse "Finn" with "fin". Nihil novi (talk) 06:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, the very skillful observation. Thank you! --Robsuper (talk) 13:38, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
Apparently, there are no redirects yet for the List of Fins or the List of Polles in Wikipedia. Let's wait for feedback from other members of our community instead, Robsuper. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 16:36, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
I do not think that these redirects should be created, do you? --Robsuper (talk) 13:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Question to Poeticbent: how do you think, why Crusoe8181 moved the article to the location of "List of Polish people"? In the description of his editing appears laconic justification: "consistent with recent category name changes". Hmm ... Whether it could be sufficient reason to make a significant change without prior discussion? I don't think so. And this is also another reason to restore the previous name. --Robsuper (talk) 19:50, 3 July 2013 (UTC)
The List of F1 Poles can also to be added to Wikipedia without the need for discussion; somewhere else, not here. Poeticbent talk 08:05, 12 October 2013 (UTC)
Probably you may be somewhat biased towards the well known coincidence of the words Pole and pole. I got to know and I respect your point of view. The present discussion from the start outlined the minimalist consensus allowing to rename the article. However, for a good cause I think, like you, that we should wait for further voices. --Robsuper (talk) 09:14, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

de

Where did Jan Nepomucen de Bobrowicz's "de" come from?
This composer appears in the French, German and Polish Wikipedias and in Polski słownik biograficzny as "Jan Nepomucen Bobrowicz"—not "de Bobrowicz".
Nihil novi (talk) 20:11, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

Double entries

Given that space is tight (and for some, patience too), is there any cogent reason for people to appear twice or more under separate headings? One example I noticed is Witkacy. He is known particularly for his painting, so does he really need to appear in the Prose literature section as well? A similar thing happens with scientists who could appear several times. Is there a consensus about this? --80.168.172.177 (talk) 12:52, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Witkacy is notable as a painter, photographer, writer, and philosopher (see "History of philosophy in Poland"). Maria Skłodowska Curie got a Nobel Prize in both chemistry and physics. Ignacy Krasicki was notable both as prose writer and poet. ...
Let's be careful before we start oversimplifying.
Nihil novi (talk) 04:02, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

How about a List of Polish Nobel Prize winners?

This is a great compilation. Be great to see a list of Polish Nobel Prize winners here as well...or hyperlink to such a compilation if available elsewhere. Many of the Nobel laureates (most) may already be represented here...even so, a distinct Nobel category seems useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chakumar (talk • contribs) 15:09, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

Done, in the form of a see-also link.
Thanks for the suggestion!
Nihil novi (talk) 23:00, 18 December 2017 (UTC)

Captions

Since the work done today (12-17-2017) on individuals' photographs and portraits, the captions in many sections are out of kilter.
Nihil novi (talk) 01:48, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
  • @Nihil novi: can you please elaborate on that? You must have noticed that the captions are properly i-linked to articles now, they did not work before. It would have been really hard not to notice that I did a great job there, but I need feedback of course in order to complete the assignment successfully. Poeticbent talk 06:04, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Please see "List of Polish people"—"Prose literature". To the right of the photo of Tadeusz Boy-Żeleński you now have "Boy-". To the left of the photo of Edmund Chojecki you have the rest of Boy's name: "Żeleński". Chojecki's name appears over the photo of Tadeusz Dołęga-Mostowicz (whose name is now absent from the list of names). And so on.
I can't think of anything that could better confuse a reader.
I'm not sure what previous problem you were trying to solve.
Best,
Nihil novi (talk) 07:55, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
  • When you see something like this happening just add {{-}} between the file syntax and the name of the person. The error was caused by a differing width of your monitor. I didn't see this on my screen, but I fixed it all the way through now. Images are in their own columns with excess space removed. The main advantage of the new formatting is twofold, the internal links finally work, and the corresponding size of font is most appropriate. Another problem solved was the image sizes, which can cause additional errors. The magic links work now, and that is what they are meant to do. Thanks, Poeticbent talk 17:59, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Gentlemen, apologies if I inadvertently messed up the alinements when I made additions and insertions. I was trying to follow the code. About Dołęga-Mostowski, I moved him to the "M"s as his surname is Mostowski and Dołęga is the "trzon" or crest appurtenance. Thank you for the fixes. I shall desist from further changes. --80.168.172.177 (talk) 20:03, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you. "List of Polish people"—"Prose literature" is now back in proper working order.
Could similar repairs now be made to "Biology, medicine", "Economics", "Invention", "Linguistics", and "Social sciences"?
Many thanks!
Nihil novi (talk) 22:28, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
All  Done. If you see anything else, please let me know. I don't use maximized panoramic screen views. Poeticbent talk 22:58, 18 December 2017 (UTC)
Thank you! I appreciate your expertise.
Nihil novi (talk) 02:13, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
When you have a mo, can you please insert Adam Kozłowieckisj, archbishop of Lusaka, Zambia and cardinal? Thank you. --80.168.172.177 (talk) 01:54, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Christmas 2017 overhaul

  • Thank you User:Frietjes, for the radical overhaul of formatting. — What a refreshing change of approach it is for the overgrown list of notable Polish individuals! Ideally, the (singular) column of names in my opinion, should be roughly equal in length (visually at least) to the (multiple) column of thumb-size images. This can be achieved by making one of the image columns much longer than the other one. Thanks again, Poeticbent talk 15:40, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
    • Poeticbent, we can definitely adjust the widths of the galleries in proportion to the widths of the text columns. unfortunately the old method was violating WP:LISTGAP and had accessibility problems since the captions were not attached to the images. however, I am all for any changes that don't create WP:ACCESSIBILITY problems. Frietjes (talk) 15:44, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
    • another option is to put the galleries at the ends of each section, which would allow the widths to automatically adjust to the browser window width. Frietjes (talk) 15:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
      • Your first idea, Frietjes is excellent. Lets adjust the widths of the galleries in proportion to the widths of the text columns. And thanks for doing this, Poeticbent talk 15:53, 29 December 2017 (UTC)
        Addendum: Happy New Year, Frietjes! I'm wondering, what kind of device do you use to view and edit articles, because on my personal computer with a standard PC monitor the gaps between text and illustrations are huge. On the left-hand side, the columns of names appear narrow (in reasonably small font). Meanwhile, the thumbnails (with portraits of these individuals) are being pushed to the extreme right, producing an impression of a total disconnect between them. I'm assuming, these challenges might be related to the multitude of devices used to access Wikipedia nowadays, including tablets, or iPhones, with much narrower screens where the gaps don't show. I don't know. Poeticbent talk 14:23, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
        • Poeticbent, I am using a standard laptop with the Firefox browser. you are correct that the big challenge is how to deal with the multitude of browsers and devices. what operating system/browser are you using? Frietjes (talk) 14:27, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
OK, I see. Laptops do have a narrower screen. I'm using a PC column with detached keyboard and a free-standing Plug & Play Monitor on my desk, with the Firefox browser. Poeticbent talk 14:38, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

polish speaking

so half of russians, jews and other slavs must be on the list since stalin and lenin could speak polish...as well as all Lithuanians — Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.7.248.206 (talk) 00:09, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

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