Talk:List of Barack Obama 2008 presidential campaign endorsements

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The Chicago Sun Times has endorsed Obama. Please add. Tony (talk) 12:05, 18 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Proper formatting of listings[edit]

FYI: I've just restored the prior, correct formatting of the entries in the section for "Social and political activists", which were recently changed to follow the pattern of other entries in this list. Please be advised that this is, in fact, the standard format that is used throughout Wikipedia: name first, followed by brief description. Not only is this the accepted standard, it is also much easier to read (which is no doubt why it's the standard format).

Now, I understand that it will entail an awful lot of work, but the rest of the list really needs to be converted to the standard format -- which is, after all, the way it should have been done in the first place. Regards, Cgingold (talk) 19:06, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

PS - I will commit to doing the work for all of the entries in the section "Other individuals". Cgingold (talk) 19:30, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've done Presidential staff and advisors. Maybe a note should be put at the topof the Edit page to ask people to do this with new entries?217.43.168.194 (talk) 15:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What constitutes an endorsement?[edit]

Jimmy Carter has said that all but one of his four children, eleven grandchildren and spouses support Obama (the other supported Edwards). http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080130/ts_alt_afp/usvote2008democratscarter However, since, apart from Jack Carter they don't seem to have publicly endorsed Obama themselves, can this be taken as an endorsement? It would go under 'other individuals', I guess.217.43.168.194 (talk) 15:17, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently second hand sources don't count as proof of an endorsement. I had my entry of the support by former Gov. John Gilligan (D-OH) deleted on that base, although the source of the endorsement was his daughter Gov. Sebelius (D-KS) in her own endorsmeent of Obama. -- fdewaele, 17 February 2008, 16:23 CET.
I, for one, reverted Gov Gilligan. My thoughts on the subject were, someone can support a person for President, but not actually endorse them. Endorsement takes that person coming out and publicly stating that they endorse the person. I guess in my mind, you can support a candidate without endorsing the candidate but you can't endorse a candidate without supporting the candidate. if you look at the article Political endorsement, this is what I am saying.
Gov. Glligan and the unlisted Carter children, as far as I know, have not publicly endorse Obama. Jons63 (talk) 16:17, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough, but Gilligan has, so I've added him again. I'm trying to work through the other 'citation needed's. Can't find Don Bonker, mind. A lot of these people, if you google a bit you can find their endorsement.217.43.168.194 (talk) 16:55, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
As far as what constitutes an endorsement.. A source saying the person has publicly endorsed the Obama and it really shouldn't be via a secondary source. I was looking for a couple of the endorsements awhile back and all I found was references saying the person had given money to their campaign. That would not count as an endorsement because it is not uncommon for people and corporations to donate money to opposing campaigns just to hedge their bets. --Bobblehead (rants) 18:38, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


2008 (UTC)

Here is the qualifier at the beginning of the article "This is a list of prominent individuals and organizations who have formally endorsed or voiced support for Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's presidential nominee for the 2008 U.S. presidential election. Louis Farrakan is a prominent individual who has endorsed Obama and I cited 3 notable sourcesChicago Tribune[1], MSNBC[2], and ABC[3]). Is this an appropriate reference to add to the list? It is me i think (talk) 17:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-farrakhan25feb25,0,6391391.story
  2. ^ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/
  3. ^ http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2937953

Advice please[edit]

Konrad Ng (Obama's brother-in-law) is assistant professor in the Academy for Creative Media at the University of Hawai'i. Is that suitable to be listed under Academics? I guess it's not a very senior post. The reference is here: http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/konrad/gGgGdj 217.43.168.194 (talk) 22:45, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A relative's endorsement is not particularly notable unless they themselves are notable, or they are supporting a person's opponent. --Bobblehead (rants) 22:52, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's my question - is asst professor notable (bearing in mind that we have fairly minor people eg County Board of Education Members in the list)?217.43.168.194 (talk) 23:09, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This list could do with a serious case of purging, to be honest. There is a lot of non-notable people and organizations on the list. But, no.. An assistant professor is not notable. --Bobblehead (rants) 23:14, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Kucinich[edit]

Is this good enough to include Kucinich? http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Kucinich_sorta_endorses_Obama.html

If that's how he feels I'm puzzled he hasn't been more explicit since he dropped out.81.154.246.173 (talk) 16:17, 26 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kucinich never endorsed Obama. He only encouraged his supporters during the Iowa caucuses to chose Obama as second choice in districts where he himself was not viable due to the 15% cut off. This not the same as endorsing him for the presidency. -- fdewaele, 26 February 2008, 18:25 CET

Want to include endorsement by Louis Farrakhan[edit]

Louis Farrakhan is a longtime national leader of a well-know organization Nation of Islam. Both Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam are noteworthy and have very detailed articles on wikipedia. This is a noteworthy endorsement. Also, Louis Farrakah is a significant well respected figure in his community and his endorsement does carry weight. Farrakhan's endorsement of Obama is more meaningful and will have more impact then the endorsement of Wouter Bos, Minister of Finance and deputy prime minister of The Netherlands, Toshio Murakami, Mayor of Obama, Japan, Fredrik Reinfeldt, Prime Minister of Sweden, which are listed under the foreign endorsements section of the Barack Obama presidential endorsements article. If the endorsements of Obama by these foreign leaders is noteworthy, how is Farrakan's endorsement not noteworthy. Fararakn is very much more noteworthy in the context of a US presidential elections and US new outlets have covered this story (as a referenced in the Chicago Tribune[1], MSNBC[2], and ABC[3]). Please let me know. Very much appreciated. If the Obama endorsement list is an extensive list of noteworthy endorsements, I feel the Farrakahn endorsement should be included i. Overall, I feel support of by well-known American Muslim leaders is noteworthy, It is me i think (talk) 03:26, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You're playing dumb routine is getting a bit old. Everyone knows Obama "denounced and rejected" Farrakhan's endorsement.Flatterworld (talk) 11:18, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Are endorsements on this page only allowed if the Obama campaign agrees with them? Wouldn't that be against the NPOV policy? Not listing a valid endorsement because the Obama campaign doesn't like the endorsement appears to me to be against the NPOV policy or am I missing something? Otherwise this is just a Obama campaign piece with no objectivity. It is me i think (talk) 13:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the qualifier at the beginning of the article "This is a list of prominent individuals and organizations who have formally endorsed or voiced support for Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's presidential nominee for the 2008 U.S. presidential election. Louis Farrakan is a prominent individual who has endorsed Obama and I cited 3 notable sourcesChicago Tribune[4], MSNBC[5], and ABC[6]). Not sure why Farrakhan endorsement should not be included. It is me i think (talk) 14:16, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's OK to include the Farrakhan endorsement, but I think that NPOV demands that we also note the Obama campaign's response to it. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 17:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Josiah here. Let's put in all the endorsements, Farakhan, Hamas et al, but next to them put an asterisk. Have that asterisk at the bottom of the page cite Obama has rejected them. Arnabdas (talk) 18:07, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Is there a notable source showing Obama has rejected the Hamas endorsement? Also, has he accepted the Jane Fonda endorsement, her endorsement could be viewed as controversial. Also, what about the foreign endorsements in general, (leaders from Sweden, Holland, etc), have these been accepted from Obama, does this need to be mentioned. The list appears to be a list of all endorsements and expressions of public support from notable individuals. If we start adding clarifications to all those needed clarification, it will no longer be a list, but rather an article. What is the direction, historically it appears to be a list. It is me i think (talk) 01:47, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The most reliable source I can find about the supposed Hamas endorsement is this CNN blog, which quotes an Obama surrogate as saying "We call on Senator McCain to reject this embarrassing and outrageous tone, and to join with Barack Obama in calling for an America that is united in its determination to isolate Hamas and support our ally Israel." That's pretty indirect — they probably feel that it's best not to even dignify this with a direct comment. (By the way, was Yousef speaking in an official capacity in that interview? There may be a difference between being praised by one member of Hamas and being "endorsed" by the group itself.)
If anyone finds information indicating that the Obama campaign has specifically distanced themselves from an endorsement, I think that NPOV demands that we note that distancing. That's not the same as saying that every entry needs a note indicating the campaign's response or lack thereof. People tend to view endorsements as reciprocal, even if they're not. (Just because so-and-so approves of Obama, that doesn't mean that Obama approves of so-and-so.) NPOV applies equally to lists and articles, and it's a bit silly to suggest that noting endorsements from which the campaign has distanced itself will turn this list into an article. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 04:37, 24 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a fair question on whether it was a leadership endorsement (Yousef) or Hamas itself. Yousef is only a senior political advisor. I think the endorsement should be listed under Yousef. But this may also lead to the question, does Obama reject Yousef's endorsement? Many condemned the PLO but not Arafat. Josiah Rowe, I do see you point about endorsements which are rejected. It is me i think (talk) 03:11, 25 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not being terminally stupid, we're not going to encourage the equivalent of a Rush Limbaugh Operation Chaos getting 'ringers' to endorse any of the candidates. (And why do we have two parallel discussions about basically the same question?) Flatterworld (talk) 07:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-farrakhan25feb25,0,6391391.story
  2. ^ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/
  3. ^ http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2937953
  4. ^ http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-farrakhan25feb25,0,6391391.story
  5. ^ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23333598/
  6. ^ http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=2937953

Hamas Endorsement of Barack Obama from the website Democrats.org, the Democratic National Committee official Website[edit]

Democrats.org information about Barack Obama endorsement by Hamas [1]. Story also covered by FoxNews.com [2], Audio on Breitbard.com [3] and McCain's campaign is fundraising based on the endorsement FoxNews.com [4] Primarily, if the DNC's website is covering the endorsement, I think Hamas' endorsement should be added to the list. Also, I have 2 news outlets (Breitbart.com and FoxNews.com) as back up sources to the story on the DNC's website. It is me i think (talk) 03:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The link to democrats.org is actually to a blog set up by a user on the site — it's not in any way official, fact-checked or approved by the Democratic Party. Anyone can set up a democrats.org blog by clicking on the "create a blog" button on the site's main page. The blog in question merely reprints a story from NewsMax.com, a conservative website which is in my opinion not a reliable source. Neither, I think, is Breitbart.com — Andrew Breitbart is mainly a political gossipmonger, feeding material to the Drudge Report and the like. He certainly doesn't reach the high standard set at WP:BLP#Reliable sources.
Fox News is generally a reliable source for Wikipedia's purposes, but we should examine this case carefully. The Hamas spokesman is certainly praising Obama in the audio linked from the Fox report, but I'm not sure whether that's the same as an endorsement. The word "endorsement" is used in the Fox News blog, but only in the closing sentence, which reads, "While the IL Democrat has condemned Hamas, an endorsement from a top leader in the group is probably the last thing Obama needs right now." That's true — an endorsement from a Hamas leader is not a political positive. But the blog doesn't directly characterize Yousef's comment as an endorsement. I'm leaving the item up for now, but it would be better if there were a report from a reliable source like the AP, Reuters, the Washington Post or the like actually characterizing Yousef's words as an endorsement. —Josiah Rowe (talk • contribs) 08:29, 19 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

[:If it were an actual endorsement it would be "denounced and rejected", same as Farrakhan's. Why this endless trolling in various Obama-related articles?Flatterworld (talk) 11:22, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My understanding is the Hamas endorsement is not included because there is not enough reliable sources to show it is a valid endorsement. It is me i think (talk) 13:58, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The guideline for endorsements is simple and commonsense. They have to be made, they have to be accepted, and they have to be documented in a reliable source. If an endorsement is accepted, you can be sure the official campaign site of any candidate will lose no time in posting it on their site. If it's not there, it either doesn't exist or it wasn't accepted. If it does, we link we try to find a local (in the case of state and local politicians), reliable source for it if possible, such as the person's or organization's own website or their state or local newspaper, simply because local sources tend to have the most detail and eprhaps an itnerview with the endorser. If it's a newspaper, we link to the actual endorsement editorial.Flatterworld (talk) 21:31, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So are you saying only endorsements which the campaign has accepted can be listed in this article? Wouldn't that be against NPOV, should all endorsements by notable people with credible sources be listed? It is me i think (talk) 21:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The beginning of the article states ""This is a list of prominent individuals and organizations who have formally endorsed or voiced support for Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's presidential nominee for the 2008 U.S. presidential election"

If in fact this is a listing of approved endorsements, shouldn't this be stated at the beginning of the article maybe saying "This is a list of prominent individuals and organizations who have formally endorsed for and accepted by Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's presidential nominee for the 2008 U.S. presidential election" or something similar and the "voiced support" should be removed. It is me i think (talk) 21:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Josiah, with all due respect it seems you are parsing the word endorsement. If by your standards endorsement means a person must say "I endorse Barack Obama" then the entire foreign leaders section must be taken out. I am the one who initially put this in. I saw it was mostly reported on conservative sites like newsmax, etc but only put it in when I saw the Fox link. It belongs in here. If we go by that standard you said, we would have to take out a lot of people off this and other candidate endorsement articles. Arnabdas (talk) 20:36, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the qualifier at the beginning of the article "This is a list of prominent individuals and organizations who have formally endorsed or voiced support for Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's presidential nominee for the 2008 U.S. presidential election. Louis Farrakan is a prominent individual who has endorsed Obama and I cited 3 notable sourcesChicago Tribune[7], MSNBC[8], and ABC[9]). Not sure why Farrakhan endorsement should not be included. It is me i think (talk) 20:50, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not being terminally stupid, we're not going to encourage the equivalent of a Rush Limbaugh Operation Chaos getting 'ringers' to endorse any of the candidates. Flatterworld (talk) 07:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I can delete these ridiculous 'endorsements' (as I just did now) as often as they're added. You're not acting in good faith.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/05/guilt_by_association.html
Similarly, it is an exaggeration to say that the extreme Hamas faction in Gaza has "endorsed" Obama for president. This claim rests on an April 13 interview that a senior Hamas adviser, Ahmed Yousef, gave to WABC. In the interview, Yousef said in passing that "we like Obama and hope that he will win the election." The word "endorsement" is too formal to describe the positive opinion of a Hamas adviser about Obama. Obama has said that he would not negotiate with Hamas which he has described as "a terrorist group intent on Israel's destruction."
According to the beginning of this article "This is a list of prominent individuals and organizations who have formally endorsed or voiced support for Barack Obama as the Democratic Party's presidential nominee for the 2008 U.S. presidential election.

Contents". this is a listing of groups who individuals who have voiced support for Obama.

A senior Hamas political adviser has voice support for Obama. Here are two notable sources verifying this: Bloomberg , FoxNews , New York Times

I know Barack Obama have spoken out against Hamas, but have not seen any comment specifically on this endorsement, so I don't know how this gets properly worded. Nonetheless, these sources do show Hamas supports Obama, therefore, I feel, it should be listed (with proper clarification that Obama reject the groups terrorists activities, or appropriate wording). Please advise It is me i think (talk) 05:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. We should definitely not list Hamas unless we put it in a special section labeled "refused endorsements". Louis Farrakhan should go in that section too; he tried to endorse Barack Obama, but Obama shunned him for some reason. Obama has also disowned Jeremiah Wright, although he initially accepted Wright's support.
I've made similar comments on John McCain's endorsement page re: Rod Parsley and John Hagee. As Obama did with Wright, McCain initially accepted Parsley and Hagee's support but later disowned both of them. In contrast, Barack Obama didn't think twice before rejecting both Hamas and Farrakhan. Stonemason89 (talk) 19:09, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wired knows we're here! :-)[edit]

http://blog.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/obama-picks-up.html Obama Picks Up New Space/Tech Endorsements By Loretta Hidalgo Whitesides April 25, 2008 A long list of people endorsing Obama can be found on Wikipedia, which also hosts a list for Clinton.

Rename?[edit]

As of June 19, this is titled "List of Barack Obama 2008 democratic presidential campaign endorsements". I was thinking this could be simply renamed with "democratic" taken out because it's not like he switched parties in the middle of his campaign. It shortens down the title as well. Just a suggestion. conman33 (. . .talk) 06:19, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What about Bruce Springsteen?[edit]

Display glitch[edit]

Are the external links section and the categories showing up randomly in the middle of the page for anyone else, despite being placed in the right place within the markup? LaMenta3 (talk) 21:01, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

primary vs. general elections[edit]

This list no longer makes any sense, especially for newspaper endorsements. Most papers endorse one candidate for each primary, and then afterwards endorse one candidate for the general. Having all these mixed together in one list is not very helpful. imo this article should be 'reset' to what it was prior to the selection of Obama as the nominee, and a new article should be created for the general. I would suggest all newspapers be listed in table format using red/blue/other backgrounds to show which party they prefer, similar to how we handle lists of state congresses. Flatterworld (talk) 21:30, 17 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I apologize if my updating yesterday added confusion to the situation. At this point, would it be possible (if not easier) just to change the top-level section to "Campaign Endorsements" which would be more accurate and remain overall relevant? I know the ones I posted yesterday were all General Election endorsements and have a formatted list that could be easily inserted into a General Election section if that is any help.OneHappyHusky (talk) 17:16, 20 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Article too long, and loading time is very very very long[edit]

This article has become rather long. This should be considered: splitting it into at least 2 articles. Consequently, it takes very long time just to load this page, let alone editing it (sometimes ended up in error message). I suggest a split between politician (politicians and their families) and non-politician (actors, etc) w_tanoto (talk) 16:46, 23 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Too long? No way. I really need to know that James Wilkie Broderick -- who was six years old at the time of election -- was a key part of the Obama Revolution. Puh-leez. Are you people staying up all night patting yourself on the back? The opinions of children? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.255.225.67 (talk) 05:33, 7 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Donations proof of endorsement?[edit]

A lot of the references, particularly in the "Entertainers" section, are simply links to evidence that the person has donated money to the campaign (all of the links to "newsmeat"). I don't consider these endorsements (the donator hasn't chosen to publicly voice support, and technically they can donate to both candidates) so I started replacing such references with "fact" tags, but there are lots of entries for which these are the only reference, so I'm asking for clarification before such a big change (it would be a pain adding them all back in if there are subsequent edits and a revert isn't possible). 88.107.11.229 (talk) 15:19, 26 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Musicians section has vanished[edit]

It appears to be a formatting error, since they're still in the source, but smarter people than I should probably attempt to fix it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Keysthird (talk • contribs) 17:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

New entries without citation moved from article[edit]

Since the list is already full of un-sourced edits, I will start from now on to move new un-cited entries to this section so they can be re-added (or "dumped") after verification. I encourage other editors to assist. Thanks, --The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 18:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Writers

cm: "writer"??????--The Magnificent Clean-keeper (talk) 18:52, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Musicians


Don King[edit]

Minor, but he is listed as both the Obama and McCain endorsements articles —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.80.44.231 (talk) 19:52, 14 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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