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"Laika (dog)"

The usage of Laika (dog) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is under discussion, see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Dogs#Requested_moves -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:48, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Contradiction?

This statement:

The only other dogs to die in a Soviet space mission[disputed – discuss] were Pchyolka and Mushka, who died when Korabl-Sputnik 3 was purposely destroyed with an explosive charge upon re-entry in order to prevent foreign powers from inspecting the capsule due to a wayward atmospheric reentry trajectory on December 1, 1960.

contradicts the Korabl-Sputnik 3 article, which names an additional pair of deceased cosmonaut dogs:

They were the last dogs to die in a Soviet space mission, after Laika, who was never intended to survive her Sputnik 2 flight, and Chaika and Lisichka, perishing after the rocket carrying their "Korabl Sputnik" spacecraft disintegrated 20 seconds into the flight.

Which is it? K7L (talk) 04:42, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I would guess a better phrasing is 'The only other dogs to intentionally be killed in a Soviet Space mission...'— Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.244.38.5 (talk) 15:46, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

FAR needed

Four other dogs died in Soviet space missions: Bars and Lisichka were killed when their R-7 rocket exploded shortly after launch on July 28, 1960; Pchyolka and Mushka died when Korabl-Sputnik 3 was purposely destroyed with an explosive charge to prevent foreign powers from inspecting the capsule after a wayward atmospheric reentry trajectory on December 1, 1960.[citation needed]

I could found source to support "Pchyolka and Mushka died when Korabl-Sputnik 3 was purposely destroyed with an explosive charge to prevent foreign powers from inspecting the capsule after a wayward atmospheric reentry trajectory on December 1, 1960", but not "Bars and Lisichka were killed when their R-7 rocket exploded shortly after launch on July 28, 1960".

And I think should expand one more section for memorial, aftermath something.--Jarodalien (talk) 08:35, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

There should only be a Memorial or Aftermath section if there is considerable sourced content to put in such a section. Can you demonstrate that reliable sources have been neglected and more information can be found? --Laser brain (talk) 11:49, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
User:Laser_brain: how about here & here?--Jarodalien (talk) 13:51, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
I appreciate that your comment is specifically addressed to Laser brain, so I apologise for interrupting but all I'm really seeing in those Portuguese and Spanish articles that isn't already included here are some bits in the "In popular culture" section [*/disclaimer: I hate IPC sections as I feel they generally just attract trivia about non notable video games etc but no doubt that's just me]. I have added refs to the sentences mentioned above in Jarodalien's opening comment. SagaciousPhil - Chat 14:39, 26 September 2015 (UTC)
I understand concern about trivia, but I really don't think that should be the reason not cover this field at all per comprehensive & well-researched, as this is featured article, not good article.--Jarodalien (talk) 02:24, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
The sections in the Spanish and Portuguese Wikipedia articles linked above are unsourced trivia. The addition of this type of material to this article has previously been discussed here, again here and here. The consensus appears to be for it not to be included. SagaciousPhil - Chat 07:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

References

I'm not really familiar with the ref format currently used but it doesn't seem to be consistent; I started to remove some duplicates but perhaps it's meant to be that way? I'd be willing to try to do some fixing if others feel it's necessary but would rather work with a format I'm used to unless any one objects? SagaciousPhil - Chat 07:27, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

  • As there were no comments or objections in over two weeks, I've gone ahead and re-formatted all the refs; (hopefully?) they are now consistent. SagaciousPhil - Chat 12:09, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Where's the outcry over monkeys and apes in space?

Funny how there is such an outcry over the death of a dog (as if that doesn't happen all over the world every day), while there is no mention of anyone protesting on the Monkeys and apes in space page, even while it lists a long series of generally gruesome deaths suffered by primates utilized in the US sub-orbital rocketry program. I think that it's messed up that a dog gets more pity than these monkeys...even if they weren't absolutely GOING to die, the odds were generally very likely that they would, and they usually did. The first one to actually survive a flight died later because they left his capsule sitting for hours in the baking sun while they came to recover it, and basically roasted him to death. Seems pretty foreseeable and preventable. I should add that I say this even though I am a dog lover. They are both messed up, but I think the monkey program is the greater of the two evils; the US was obviously just as willing to sacrifice the lives of animals to gain national prestige, but somehow the killing of a dog seems worse to most people than the killing of a primate, even though the primate is a closer relative to us..45Colt 02:07, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

I guess it is because American pop-culture made everyone desensitized to killing the humans, and, as you say, the primate is a closer relative to us. -M.Altenmann >t 05:15, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

WP:FORUM - doesn't anyone read the very first part of Talk Pages? 98.67.180.168 (talk) 10:07, 3 November 2015 (UTC)

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"in popular culture"

I recently made an addition to this section, noting that Moxy Früvous had released a song, "Laika," on their album Bargainville. This edit was quickly reverted by another user on the grounds that it was non-notable. I question how this entry is any less notable than the five or six other songs already mentioned in that section. Thanks for input. PurpleChez (talk) 16:37, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

never mind...I'm an idiot...I swear I read through the list half a dozen times but I missed that the Fruvous cut is already mentioned....PurpleChez (talk) 16:39, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Add Sticky Fingers' song "Laika"

I'd just like to request that someone with permissions to, adds the the song "Laika" by the Australian band 'Sticky Fingers' to the legacy section of the article, as the lyrics are directly describing Laika and her spaceflight, as opposed to the Arcade Fire song which seems to only mention her in name and in the title of the song. It really is a beautiful song dedicated to Laika and would add a nice touch to the legacy section imo. Wrickerish (talk) 11:42, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

Please provide a source indicating that this track is a notable cultural reference. --Laser brain (talk) 12:26, 8 October 2019 (UTC)r

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 November 2019

As part of the legacy I would like the music video to Moan by Trentemøller to be added. It features an, albeit inaccurate, hyperbolized, depiction of how Laika was captured and sent to space. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vkj-t1ytzo Soulseekah (talk) 20:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:28, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trentem%C3%B8ller is a notable artist. The Music Video in question https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vkj-t1ytzo&feature=youtu.be&t=209 specifically says "In Memory Of Laika" at 3:30. Published on the official channel of their label. The Music Video in question has over 2.2M views to date. This is a notable, reliable and reputable source of legacy to Laika.

Even the Russian page in the legacy section has a lot more listed! Including Moan, which was shot in Moscow in 2007.

"В 2007 году был снят клип на сингл 'Moan' датского музыканта Trentemøller, посвящённый Лайке. Клип был снят в январе 2007 года в Москве." https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%B0_(%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B0%D0%BA%D0%B0-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D1%81%D0%BC%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%82)#%D0%9B%D0%B0%D0%B9%D0%BA%D0%B0_%D0%B2_%D0%BC%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%81%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D1%83%D1%80%D0%B5 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soulseekah (talk • contribs) 10:16, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: While Trentemøller may be a notable artist, what Jonesey95 is asking for is any evidence (that is not from YouTube) that this particular song is notable. "Notable" in Wikipedia terms has a somewhat different meaning than it does in regular English. Here it means something: "...has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". An artist's YouTube channel is obviously not independent and hit counts for a video are not generally accepted as evidence for inclusion. If other sources start covering this song, then it may be eligible for inclusion. I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 05:28, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

"Russian Satellite" - 1958 popular song about Laika

I've been interested in Laika for more than 30 years, and recently came across a 1958 song called "Russian Satellite" by Calypso artist [1]. The song does not mention Laika by name but part of its lyrics are:

"Although they're trying their best You know they're making a mess with the Russian Satellite They should be all sent to prison For the dog that they poisoned in the Russian Satellite Two Sputniks in the skies Had everybody hynotized Now I am very sorry for the poor little puppy In the Russian Satellite."

The song was popular and is included on two subsequent "Greatest hits" by the same artist.

I think we should have a mention in the Wiki article about the song. I can't edit because, I guess, I'm too new.

Anyone else is welcome! Cheers from Boris.[2]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSZOLAoOskk — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boris Gazpacho (talk • contribs) 17:24, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Mighty Sparrow
  2. ^ www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSZOLAoOskk

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 September 2020

Spanish popular pop group Mecano includes "Laika" in the album "Descanso Dominical" 2806:269:401:896B:ED40:FA2C:51B3:DB69 (talk) 01:31, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Seagull123 Φ 13:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 November 2020

adding a wikilink to the word euthanised in last line of third paragraph: she was euthanised prior to oxygen depletion. -> she was euthanised prior to oxygen depletion. 2402:3A80:10C5:CA5:7CA0:A1FD:B2B2:A12 (talk) 05:05, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

 Done – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

On sustainer separation.

Hello, please let me clarify one of the points in the article I consider being in the need of clarifying.

The article here says - "...possibly caused by a failure of the central R-7 sustainer to separate from the payload."

The article in Russian Wikipedia on Sputnik-2 states, however, that the separation was not intended from the very beginning.

So I addressed one of our best space exploration historians, Mr. A. Pervushin, asking him to present to me any document showing whether the separation was in the plans for the flight - or not. Mr. Pervushin, luckily being my friend, was so kind to send me a copy of an inner top secret note sent by constructors to Party's Central Committee, dated Oct. 15th, 1957. The note says, in rough translation, "we propose to make the second Sputnik out of the rocket's second stage weighing 7.5 tons". If need be, I'm ready to send this copy anywhere or put it here, it's declassified now.

Thus, I'd like to ask the person controlling this article to remove from it the misleading bit of information - about "possible failure of separation". The mentioned failure was impossible, since no separation was planned.

Thank you in advance. 77.243.99.35 (talk) 10:39, 10 January 2021 (UTC)TwinCat

Another popular culture reference

The title of Laika Come Home - Gorillaz remix album is a reference to Laika + the movie Lassie Come Home. Not sure if this is significant enough for a mention.

The section could almost be switched to dot points. Quite a few references or there. Stephen.G.McAteer (talk) 06:27, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

As far as significance is concerned, Gorillaz are a Grammy award winning group, and this remix album peaked at 108 on the UK charts. (Again, not sure that's enough). Stephen.G.McAteer (talk) 06:34, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Guardians of the Galaxy reference

In Guardians of the Galaxy, (during the scene where the characters meet the collector,) a dog named "Cosmo", wearing a spacesuit with the letters "CCCP" emblazoned on it makes an multiple brief appearances as part of the collector's collection. This is a reference to Laika. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.124.105.135 (talk) 19:09, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 11 March 2021

Change specimen to dog. Freedom of facets (talk) 21:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

The specimen is already shown as a mongrel which is a dog. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:39, 11 March 2021 (UTC)

Space Dandy - Season 1 Episode 8: The Lonely Pooch Planet, Baby.

In season 1 episode 8 of Shinichirō Watanabe's 2014 anime Space Dandy, there is a character named Laika. She is a husky dog that the crew meets on a faraway planet and adopts. Due to weird inter-dimensional science and the vague statements about Laika's fate by the Soviet Union, the narrator brings up the fact that this might in fact be the real dog from Sputnik 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IamSolace (talk • contribs) 18:17, 21 March 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2021

Please let me edit the Laika page. I am a registered user. Yozdek (talk) 07:01, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:12, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Just open the lock Yozdek (talk) 13:46, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Which you have made. Yozdek (talk) 13:47, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 13 June 2021

"Max Ricter's" should read "Max Richter's" (with "h") WikiDaveLaw (talk) 05:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done Shellwood (talk) 13:05, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Additional Pop-culture reference: "Laika" - Song by band Sticky Fingers

Australian indie rock band Sticky Fingers' first studio album "Caress Your Soul" (2013) features a song named "Laika", written from the dogs perspective of the Sputnik 2 flight.

--27.127.192.190 (talk) 05:58, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 August 2021

Add at In popular culture section: Laika Cheesecake & Espresso was named and being inspired from Laika, co-owner Anna Afanasaieva said "We decided to implement part of our culture into the name of our business and into our branding."[1] 219.255.15.233 (talk) 11:52, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: The addition would have to be reasonably notable. We don't add anything with a connection to the popular culture section. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:44, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.kens5.com/article/money/business/made-in-sa/laika-making-cheesecake-out-of-world-experience/273-12475d12-28db-4e19-af67-557a2811fa6a

A quick edit.

Hey guys, I would like to request the ability that I could add a slight bit of info to the “In popular culture” section.

Finnish metal band Hevisaurus did a song about Laika on their album “Soittakaa Juranoid!” called “Laika-koira” which means “Laika-dog” in English. Can I add that bit?

Thanks, Ben. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MudvayneFanAlt (talk • contribs) 03:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2021

Addition to the "In Popular Culture" section:

"The song "Space Doggity" by singer-songwriter Jonathan Coulton was written as an entry in an online songwriting competition; the challenge was to write a song based on David Bowie's song "Space Oddity". Coulton's entry is based on Laika's flight in Sputnik 2 (Per his blog). Taser8 (talk) 20:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Page watchers might not think it's notable, so discuss the addition first. - FlightTime (open channel) 20:57, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:22, 9 December 2021 (UTC)
Also, it should be discussed by a secondary source to establish that it is a notable and [[WP: DUE] a] fact for "In popular culture," rather than their blog. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:23, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

laika (song) by will wagner

in legacy, the song "Laika" by Will Wagner should be added under pop culture. Alex.does.not.exist (talk) 22:09, 10 March 2022 (UTC)

Pop culture addition: Space Dandy

Referenced and depicted in the anime Space Dandy, season one episode eight "the lonely pooch planet, baby" 184.15.19.202 (talk) 14:19, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2022

To the Legacy section of the page could you consider adding the references to Laika on The Divine Comedy record Absent Friends? A verse is dedicated in the song 'Absent Friends' and by an instrumental track on the same album 'Laika's Theme. Paganface (talk) 08:47, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. You would need to provide secondary sources discussing this to show that it is noteworthy. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 10:27, 26 May 2022 (UTC)
Here is the song in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lc6y0BnPbDA
the lyrics about Laika are:
Laika flew through inky blue
' Til Laika neared the atmosphere and Laika knew
Laika's life was through
Which were sourced by listening to the song, and from this page:
https://genius.com/The-divine-comedy-absent-friends-lyrics 8aranalta (talk) 07:26, 6 June 2022 (UTC)

Citation perhaps? (End of paragraph 3)

This line specifically:

[...]as the Soviet government initially claimed, she was euthanized before oxygen depletion.

Does this need a citation? It seems like it would be helpful to offer a source for this government claim because any Russian archive for that sort of thing might be in Russian, so some sort of link to a place where people can learn about the claims/intentions made by the USSR's government would be helpful for English users.
--PlatypusPlatypi (talk) 03:25, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

Duplicate sentence in “In Popular Culture”

Laika, a 2007 graphic novel by Nick Abadzis giving a fictionalized account of Laika's life, won the Eisner Award for Best Publication for Teens.[33] The book is "Laika" by Nick Abadzis.

The second sentence repeats information from the first and should be deleted. 2400:56A0:100:B2BC:5422:4B47:1F7:840 (talk) 23:53, 24 July 2022 (UTC)

Addition to the Pop Culture section

the 2009 film "Space Buddies" has the characters meet an astronaut dog living alone on a spaceship. Playing by Jason Earles, the character is named Spudnick and has a Russian accent. he lives with a cosmonaut who is happy to continue living in space but wants to return home. It's been a while since I watched the film, but the character is most certainly in some reference or inspiration to the Russian space dogs. at the end of the movie, Spudnick can return to earth and reunite with his original owner. Three.cats.in.a.trenchcoat (talk) 21:00, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

You know, I'm a stickler about adding to those type (IPC/COVERSONG) of sections, because I've found most are non-notable trivia, however, I would have any objection to adding this to IPC providing a reliable source is included. - FlightTime (open channel) 21:11, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2022

I would like too add some more information about Laika 173.13.162.241 (talk) 18:22, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: requests for decreases to the page protection level should be directed to the protecting admin or to Wikipedia:Requests for page protection if the protecting admin is not active or has declined the request. - FlightTime (open channel) 18:38, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2022 (2)

Addition to "In Popular Culture": The American stop-motion animation studio Laika (stylized as LAIKA) rebranded from Will Vinton Studios to be named after the dog in July 2005.

Source: https://www.animationmagazine.net/2015/12/laika-reflects-on-10-innovative-years/ This is used on Laika (company)'s own Wikipedia page. Orangehalves (talk) 19:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: The section tends to focus on references to Laika in media (e.g film, animation, novels, etc). —Sirdog (talk) 03:18, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
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