Talk:Lady Gaga and the Muppets Holiday Spectacular/GA1

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Reviewer: Kees08 (talk · contribs) 19:57, 22 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]


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1. Well-written:
1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.

Rewrite this sentence: Critics gave the special mixed reviews, with some praising its accessibility and others disappointed with its lack of production values other than as a promotion for Artpop.

This sentence is worded a little awkward. It took me a couple of reads to figure out Lady Gaga was the singer in the second half of the sentence: Announcer Tom Kane explains to Pepe the King Prawn that the special is being filmed for Lady Gaga; the singer explains why she invited the Muppets and performs "Venus".

  • Corrected. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reword to 'which annoyed Miss Piggy' instead of 'annoying' - After Statler and Waldorf's review of the performance, Kristen Bell asks for Gaga's autograph—annoying Miss Piggy, who was planning her own finale and enlists the Muppets to hold auditions.

  • Reworded. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Move the periods inside of the quotation marks, so instead of this ". it becomes this ."

  • I could only find one instance where it was a full sentence, so moved the period inside. Please remember we do not blindly move the period inside and only do so for full quotes. If you notice any other one, please let me know. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Do the same with the commas.

  • Please see above. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

From: With songs from Artpop, it was confirmed that holiday classics like "Deck the Halls" and "Jingle Bells" would be performed by the Muppets.

To: It was confirmed that holiday classics like "Deck the Halls" and "Jingle Bells" would be performed by the Muppets, as well as songs from Artpop.

  • Reworded. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The demographic was adjusted or the rating was adjusted? - The demographic was adjusted to 1.0 by Nielsen ratings.

  • Defo rating. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Should be a colon; not a semicolon: Mark Graham wrote for VH1 that Gaga had a lack of relatability at that point in her career;

  • Reworded. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.

Please cite the credits.

  • Cited from the special. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The synopsys does not have a single citation. I would recommend the Rolling Stone article. It could also be expanded just a tad.

  • Per MOS:PLOT this is not necessary since this is an existing piece of work, like WP:Manual of Style/Film#Plot and even less than 400 words. Also seeing the length of the article, I really do not want to expand it further and cause a imbalance. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
2c. it contains no original research.
2d. it contains no copyright violations or plagiarism.
3. Broad in its coverage:
3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.

I do not know the rating scale addressed here: The special had 3.62 million viewers and a 0.9 rating in the adult age 18-49 demographic. Could you add a link to an article that talks about the scale, or talk about it briefly in the article?

Why is Glee mentioned, was it on at the same time or something? - They were 25 percent lower than the 2012 Thanksgiving special, Bad 25, and the same as Glee.

  • Yes, I rewrote the sentence now. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
7. Overall assessment.

@IndianBio: Just making sure you saw this page! ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:04, 6 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer: thanks a lot, no I have somehow missed it with the hoopla around the Super Bowl pages haha. —IB [ Poke ] 05:14, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
No worries! Seemed uncharacteristic for you not respond immediately. :) Good luck! ---Another Believer (Talk) 05:15, 7 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@IndianBio: Timetable for this? Kees08 (talk) 05:12, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Kees08: I have made corrections to the article and replied to you wherever I felt it was not necessary. I thank you immensely for your patience. —IB [ Poke ] 17:11, 26 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@IndianBio: Question on the quotation marks and punctuation issue. I have looked up several websites that have said the period is always inside the quotation mark. Do you have anything that shows otherwise? Kees08 (talk) 07:35, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Kees08: check the Manual of Style here at MOS:SINGLE for Punctuation before quotations in the example Caitlyn Jenner expressed concerns about children "who are coming to terms with being true to who they are". Here the quotations are before the period since it is not a complete sentence or a quote, rather a part of it. I have seen this being followed across all the FA articles I have read through or their FACs also. —IB [ Poke ] 08:30, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That is silly that they go with British English in lieu of American English in this specific instance but not in others. No idea why you wouldn't write towards the audience. Regardless, not my or your problem to worry about. Kees08 (talk) 07:15, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Kees08, see MOS:LQ—Wikipedia deliberately uses logical quotation style in everything, just as it uses double quotation marks rather than single, and non-curly ones at that. It isn't American vs. British, it's what makes logical sense, by not inserting punctuation where it hadn't existed in the original material. That's one of the American punctuation rules that make little sense to most Americans, so I'm perfectly content that Wikipedia doesn't use it. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:33, 28 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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