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"Caboga" is the orginal hereditary surname[edit]

I would like to clarify some open questions that editors have in respect to the surname of Dubrovnik patriciate. Various version of the original family name Caboga are or have been in usage such as "de Chaboga", "de Caboga", "Kaboga", "Kabuzic". One has to differentiate between the original name that family members legally use as their surname since generations to this day(i.e. the surname that is inherited from one generation to the next and appears in identification documents) and the versions that have also been used in publications, articles or are in common usage in Croatia.

In this case, "Caboga" is the name that has been inherited by family members since generations, whereas "Kaboga" is predominantly in usage in public life in Croatia. Fact is that with all other noble Dubrovnik families, we see this similar practice of one legally inherited surname that is of latin form and slavic versions of this name in usage in public life. This practice can be looked up in Mahnken's seminal work on the Dubrovnik patriciate where the genealogy and the origins of each family name is traced. By researching documents from the Dubrovnik archives, it was show that the inherited surnames of these families were established as early as the late 13th century whereas surnames of non-noble merchants during the early 15th century. The reference for Mahnkens work is stated in the article.

So please lets state these historical facts clearly in the articles on the Dubrovnik patriciate. Historians conclude that this practice of a latin surname and slavic versions is reflective of the multilingualism that was present in medieval Ragusa, hence also the practice of dual naming (latin/slavic) in academic publications.Caboga (talk) 12:06, —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.164.23.171 (talk) 12:35, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kabužić/Caboga[edit]

I am interested in the question as normal reader of Wikipedia. I have checked in Google book to know how historians and the literature frequently use to name the important representative of this house:

But in general the name Caboga seems to me more accepted also in the slavic literature:

But also the coats of army is "Caboga".

The guideline should be that to follow the most used name and not the name applied today in a anacronistic way.

Open to have a look in any other guideline. --Ilario (talk) 22:53, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Protection[edit]

Edit warring and IP socking is getting a bit out of hand - 2 weeks semi protection. SGGH ^ping! 19:36, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Austrian Caboga[edit]

The section on the Caboga that entered Austrian nobility should be split from the earlier, Ragusan house.--Zoupan 19:37, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 November 2015[edit]

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The result of the move request was: moved to Kaboga, which although done by an involved participant midway through the discussion, doesn't appear to have been objected to. Jenks24 (talk) 13:21, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kabužić (family) → Caboga – This Ragusan family, the Caboga, was never known as "Kabužić". The latter is a Croatian neologism. A bold move to the former was reverted with the comment "known-to-be-opposed, unilateral, non-consensus move". Croatian WP uses Kaboga, while Italian uses Caboga. The official and original name was Caboga, supported by Gbook hits: Caboga (141) vs. Kabužić (72). Zoupan 19:58, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. I already explained that neither "originality" (e.g. Mark Antony), nor such completely raw GB hits are of much relevance with regard to naming policy: you include Croatian, Italian hits, Wiki mirrors, everything, and neglect to account for the diacritics. I get 180 hits for Kabuzic (though again, with some non-English publications). To be sure, I'm not a particular fan of any title, and I'm not sure this place even meets WP:N, but I don't see any reason to support your bold move. Would a move to Kaboga theoretically settle this? -- Director (talk) 20:05, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I search without diacritics, with "-llc -wikipedia", and go to the last page of the hits (!). If I do your search, I have Caboga (16,600) vs. Kabuzic (174).--Zoupan 22:21, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Research on Google books shows Caboga as more frequent but I think we need to check for quality. Settling the issue just with a Google research sounds too simplistic to me. Silvio1973 (talk) 18:46, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure about the final target, but offhand it looks like Kabužić isn't right as even the Croatian Encyclopedia doesn't use it as the primary form - they use "Kaboga (Caboga, Chaboga, Caboxich, Kabožić, Kabužić)". --Joy [shallot] (talk) 17:34, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm going to go ahead with a good-faith move to "Kaboga", lets continue with the RM from there. -- Director (talk) 07:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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