Talk:Sir Jonathan Trelawny, 3rd Baronet

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by WikiProject Peerage and Baronetage (assessed as Mid-importance).

Christianity: Anglicanism Low‑importance

	Christianity portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Christianity, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Christianity on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.ChristianityWikipedia:WikiProject ChristianityTemplate:WikiProject ChristianityChristianity articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by WikiProject Anglicanism (assessed as Low-importance).

Devon Low‑importance

	Devon portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Devon, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Devon on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.DevonWikipedia:WikiProject DevonTemplate:WikiProject DevonDevon articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

University of Oxford Low‑importance

	University of Oxford portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject University of Oxford, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of the University of Oxford on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.University of OxfordWikipedia:WikiProject University of OxfordTemplate:WikiProject University of OxfordUniversity of Oxford articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Cornwall Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Cornwall, an attempt to improve and expand Wikipedia coverage of Cornwall and all things Cornish. If you would like to participate, you can edit the article attached to this page, or visit the project member page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion.CornwallWikipedia:WikiProject CornwallTemplate:WikiProject CornwallCornwall-related articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

See drop-down box for suggested article edit guidelines:

Be bold - if you know something about Cornwall then put it in! We value your contributions and don't be afraid if your spelling isn't great as there are plenty of spelling and grammar experts on clean-up duty!
Articles on settlements in Cornwall should be written using the standard set of headings approved by the UK geography WikiProject's guideline How to write about settlements.
At WikiProject Cornwall we subscribe to the policies laid down by Wikipedia - particularly civility and consensus building. We are aware that the wording on Cornish entries can sometimes be a contentious topic, especially those concerning geography. You don't have to agree with everything but there is no excuse for rudeness and these things are best solved through consensus building and compromise. For more information see WP:CornwallGuideline.
These pages are not platforms for political discussion. Issues relating to Cornish politics should be restricted to those pages that directly deal with these issues (such as Constitutional status of Cornwall, Cornish nationalism, etc) and should not overflow into other articles.
Most of all have fun editing - that's the reason we all do this, right?!

Spelling[edit]

Should "Trelawney" be spelt with an "e" or "Trelawny" with no "e"?

Talskiddy 22:45, 24 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

'Chambers Biographical Dictionary' ISBN 055016040X, has Trelawny. DuncanHill 11:28, 31 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jowwwwww[edit]

You undo my edit claiming that English is not a nationality and then you go to place Cornish there which is certainly not a nationality. Explanation please. I would have put British but this guy lived most of his life during the time England was not in union with Scotland, there for "British" would be questionable. BritishWatcher (talk) 10:48, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You are removing Cornish from articles because you say it isn't a nationality. Then you add English to other articles, which isn't a nationality. You are being inconsistent and disingenuous. I just thought I would point that out to you. Put British if you want, although I don't know how many Bishops of Bristol, Exeter and Winchester weren't British. --Joowwww (talk) 11:09, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me but English is a nationality. Cornish is not. In articles about people after 1707 when England and Scotland formed a union should have peoples nationality as British. In most of the changes i have made it is to British. But in this case most of this mans life was during the period when England was a sovereign country, there for English was a nationality and plenty of living peoples articles today call them English anyway. BritishWatcher (talk) 11:16, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

English is not a nationality. On my and your passport it says "British". Legally, there is no such thing as an English nationality, or "England" for that matter. "English" is an identity. --Joowwww (talk) 11:19, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I am a passionate supporter of the United Kingdom, i would rather everywhere simply say United Kingdom and British but that is not the current agreed method as mentioned on the MOS and in the advice some follow.

Every article i come across that incorrectly says Cornish i would change to British not English. But in this one case, the person was alive at a time when England was an independent country there for an English nationality certainly existed. BritishWatcher (talk) 11:24, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

During those times the Cornish were recognised as a people separate to the English. Nationality did not mean then what it does now. --Joowwww (talk) 11:29, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

By the time of this mans life Cornwall was part of England there for he was English. He was part of the Church of England, do we have any sources saying he rejected the idea of being considered English? BritishWatcher (talk) 11:38, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cornwall was under the English crown, but its territorial relationship to England was unclear. The Stannary Parliament still operated then, and the Duchy's status was ambiguous. We cannot apply our modern concept of nationality to the 1600s. --Joowwww (talk) 11:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So we are agreed, its ok to change Cornish to British on this article then leave it as that on here? BritishWatcher (talk) 12:28, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. --Joowwww (talk) 12:32, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]