Talk:John William Friso

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Can someone explain to me how he is the ancestor of all current reigning monarchs in europe?( i dont know if this is true or false, but i did see the same in another article) 62.194.170.62 00:02, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

He just simply is... It's a genealogical fact. It's a matter of intermarriage that he became the most recent common ancestor of all reigning royal families today. Charles 00:28, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth II of the United Kingdom is a 6g-granddaughter, Juan Carlos I of Spain is a 7g-grandson four times over, Prince Albert II of Monaco is a 8g-grandson, Albert II of Belgium is a 6g-grandson once and a 7g-grandson thrice, Beatrix of the Netherlands is a 6g-granddaughter once and a 7g-granddaughter twice, Charles XVI Gustavus of Sweden is a 6g-, 7g- (thrice) and 8g-grandson, Harald V of Norway is a 6g-grandson once and a 7g-grandson twice, Margrethe II of Denmark is twice each a 6g-, 7g- and 8g-granddaughter, Grand Duke Henry of Luxembourg is twice a 7g-grandson and thrice a 8g-grandson, Prince Hans Adam II of Liechtenstein is a 7g-grandson... I think that's every reigning European monarch... Of course, the number with the g represents the number of "greats". Charles 00:44, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

[[1]] - This genealogical tree from the official site of the British royal family shows the common descent from John William Friso for all current reigning European monarchs.

Thief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![edit]

this villian..... is the one that took away the rightfull claim to the title Prince of Orange from William III OWN SON by Elizabeth Villiers Prince William IV Winn3317 00:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Right... Who is this particular "Wiliam IV" then? As far as I know William III had no legitimate sons. As the article says, Johan Willem Friso inherited the title according to William III's testament, but the title was also claimed by Frederick of Prussia, and France annexed the principality in 1713 anyway... Tom 13:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The article, as it now stands is subtly incorrect. It does not mention the fact that Frederick I of Prussia based his claim (successfully, as it turned out) on the Will of Frederick Henry of Orange. When Frederick Henry died his son William II had not, as yet, produced a legitimate heir (although there was an illegitimate one, but that one did not count, just as the alleged bastard by Elisabeth Villiers). He therefore put the provision in his Will that if his House would become extinct in the male line (as happened in 1702) the title would go to the male descendants of his eldest daughter Louise (the fact that there was still a male line in the cadet branch, was, of course, immaterial in itself). That turned out to be Frederick I. Friso's claim was solely based on William's Will. Without that Will he would have had a claim, based on the fact that he descended from Frederick Henry through his grandmother, a younger sister of Louise. But that claim would have been inferior, beause the grandmother was the younger sister. Anyway, the succession became a Clash of Wills. After many years of inconclusive legal trials, the matter was settled out of court with the Partition Treaty of May 14/June 16, 1732 between the King of Prussia and the then Prince of Nassau-Dietz (Friso's son).--Ereunetes (talk) 21:44, 17 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Most common ancestor[edit]

This page says that Louis IX of France is now - since 2022 - the most recent common ancestor of all 10 hereditary European monarchs. But the genealogical chart on this page shows that all 10 are descended from this guy. Why isn't it still Friso? Elizabeth's death didn't change anything because if she was descended from Friso then so is Charles. Molinari (talk) 01:23, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am completely wrong. It's not Louis IX of France that is now the most recent ancestor but a different (and much more recent) Louis IX. Molinari (talk) 15:31, 13 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]