Talk:John Montroll

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I want to move this statement "John Montroll also holds the record for being the only person in the world who can whistle in 5 octaves, and holds many oragami world records also." into this discussion section and remove it from the article, until I can find a source.

Two reasons: 1) i'd like to remove the notice that says "this article is inadequately sourced", now that i've added a source. 2) I have also heard of this 5 octave "fact", as Mr. Montroll is known to have said this, as well as have shown this talent at Whistling conventions. But I'd like to track down documentation from reliable source.

Any objections? If not, I'll do so. Apologies if I'm not following form. I am a newbie editor & just thought it was a shame such a prominent Origami artist should not be properly sourced. Also, I did not write this original article... This is my first edit.

Thanks, Ken

The 5-octave whistle range is absolutely true. I've seen him demonstrate it with a piano at hand for reference. Sarabelllum1976 (talk) 01:28, 24 November 2007 (UTC) I was in his class for 3 years myself, during which time he demonstrated this skill numerous times, including his ability to whistle down to a middle C#. I don't recall what his highest note is. -Scott Alman 129.215.5.253 (talk) 10:52, 17 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not suggesting this is not true, but would remind editors that, unfortunately, Wikipedia requires a source. Without a source, I believe that a fact based on first-hand experience constitutes "original research". We really need a source about this whistling talent if we are to keep it in the article. My interpretation of Wikipedia's guidelines is that a fact needs to have already been documented for it to be considered noteworthy enough for an encyclopaedia.138.38.96.69 (talk)

Ok I went ahead and removed the un-sourced line above, as well as the broken photograph url, the "stub" templates and un-sourced warning from June 2006, tried to make language more objective. Let me know if you find any problems. I'm still learning on how to do this and will try to make more updates later. Best, Ken

Oops, didn't know how to sign talk pages before. Thanks to Nick, for the pointer. My latest updates... adding to Montroll's bibliography and adding another source. I know Montroll has been cited in Peter Engel's and Robert Lang's books... planning to add sentence or two on who he was influenced by (according to 2 interviews from the Paper, separated by about a decade), next time.

Kshih 04:58, 9 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Is this true?[edit]

"John Montroll pioneered modern origami with the publication of his first book, Origami for the Enthusiast; Dover Publications, 1980, which was the first origami book where each model is folded from single square sheet and no cuts."

It seems doubtful. For one thing, it's not "pioneering"--it's purism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.83.245.227 (talk) 20:03, 21 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the "one square, no cuts" purism is a relatively recent phenomenon, many older books I've seen have heavily cut models. Also, I very much doubt that Mr Montroll can divide by zero, so I'm removing that, Markfiend (talk) 12:19, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]