Talk:Jalangkote

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Jalangkote ≠ Pastel ?[edit]

@Ibra Bintang: As a former resident of Makassar, I would say that "Jalangkote" is just the local word for pastel. Of course, the preparation has a local twist (just like the word), but my impression is that no-one distinguishes between jalangkote and pastel (at least in Makassar), which is also confirmed by this source[1]. For me, this reads as if we had two articles about e.g. "Martabak manis" and "Terang bulan". It's definitely not like I fu mie and Mie kering, which are similar, but not the same. @Gunkarta: What do you think? –Austronesier (talk) 11:42, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi.., I never tried jalangkote before so I'm not quite sure. Nevertheless, I think the article pastel (food) is too broad, it encompasses various Iberian and latin Americas pastels influenced by Portuguese and Spanish cuisines. The shape is also different, their pastels are mostly rectangular, while Indonesian pastels are shaped like curry puff popular in Malaysia and Singapore, although Indonesian pastel do not contain any curry. Maybe we keep Jalangkote article or rename it as Indonesian pastel, thus we can have a dedicated article on Indonesian version of pastel. Gunkarta talk 12:00, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Gunkarta: Agree, the actual Indonesian pastel is certainly different from curry puff, while the article pastel (food) is too broad. I suggest merging Pastel (food)#Indonesia and Curry puff#Indonesia here (renamed to Pastel (Indonesian dish)), and keeping the current content as a section for the Makassar variant.

Another argument why "Jalangkote" does not need a standalone: in the "Jalangkote"-hotspot of Makassar (Jl. Lasinrang), they are sold together with lumpia. The lumpia defintely also have a unique local taste, but are nevertheless called lumpia. So it is just a matter of coincidence that the local dialect of Indonesian has a different word for pastel, but not for lumpia. –Austronesier (talk) 13:29, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Xcelltrasi: Wanna help out here? We have no article about Indonesian pastel, but a page called Jalangkote even though this is just the local name for pastel in Makassar[2] (and all of SulSel I guess). Info about Indonesian pastel is scattered in Pastel (food)#Indonesia and Curry puff#Indonesia, but there it's lumped with quite different food stuff, as Gunkarta correctly points out. –Austronesier (talk) 12:24, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]