Talk:Jainism/GA6

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Shaded0 (talk · contribs) 15:30, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I will try and review this article over the next few days. Please let me know @Capankajsmilyo: your availability on this over the next week or two and I can help you walk through through the GA process.

The first thing to resolve on this would be the unresolved cleanup and maintenance tags for expansion and in the "Reception" section with the tag specifically on Neutrality. Please take a look at addressing these first. I'll start on reviewing first for formatting, manual of style, sources, images, etc. before reviewing content (as I have time for this). Thanks. Shaded0 (talk) 15:30, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I noticed several one-sentence paragraphs currently in the article such as in Temples and Jain literature. Can these be merged or reorganized to make the article less choppy?

I guess the tags have been resolved. Still I haven't removed them for you/GA reviewer to confirm. If you could be a little specific on temples section, Ill be happy to try n resolve it. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 18:10, 10 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Twofingered Typist: is making some edits based on the entri on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Requests#Jainism, so I will let him finish on these edits before looking at the choppiness issue and give some examples on this. I also will include the GA template below here and give some more guidelines on structure or content that needs to be looked at. Make sure any info included in the lead is cited or included somewhere within the article (I can also check and verify on this).

I reorganized a few things in the lead to make it flow in separate paragraphs around belief and community. A couple things in the lead that I wasn't able to find cited somewhere in the article. Can you verify this?

"In the current era, this started with Rishabhdeva and concluded with Mahavira."

This can be verified in the God subsection of Liberation and Godhood. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 04:16, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Namokar Mantra is the most common and basic prayer in Jainism." -- mentioned later but does not include info on prevalence

Done-- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 17:56, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Also, much of the info in "Practices" is not mentioned in the lead. Can you add a couple sentences to the lead summary on this?

For images, can you verify that this File:SamanathamAA.jpg has a permission on it or replace it with one that does (creative commons, etc.). Otherwise, images look good for use rationales. Some of these look to be "own work" when they should probably instead be listed under public domain. Take a look at the image I noted and see if it can be replaced/modified with a use rationale. See also, Wikipedia:Image_use_policy

Done -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 17:56, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sections[edit]

Main principles -- Good

Jain ethics and Five Main Vows -- Good

Practices --

This could be expanded upon, Vegetarianism seems critical to Jainism but is only discussed in brief, could use some other info on diet.
Fasting and Prayers could also use some extra info for these subsections
Meditation, seems good. Same with Festivals, Rituals, Pilgrimages, Monasticism

Philosophy --

Replace Ajīva ("Non-Soul") with prose
Otherwise mostly seems good, a lot of detail on this, but seems good. Verifying on the info may require someone more of an expert on this, but style as well as use of sources looks fine besides the point above.

Liberation and Godhood --

The Path to Liberation - this could be switched to prose to read better, currently does not flow very well with list with one sentence then another blockquote.
Similar with Stages on the Path, I would probably rearrange the prose here to be above the table with explanations if possible.
God subsection is fine

History --

Origins - this section includes a bit too many blockquotes, which interrupts the flow quite a bit. I have removed what I think is reasonable, and left the first one of these, as well as the Dr. Heinrich Zimmer quote. Additionally, Vardhamana Mahāvīra and Parshvanatha mentions should both be expanded upon if there is notable sourced info. I have left comments in-line with where there could be more info here. I have also left a comment on the Dr. Heinrich Zimmer quote that is needs more context or preface to include this and flow well with the previous paragraphs. Last paragraph here looks fine.
Expansion - I modified the subheading of this to be more clear of the development and expansion of the religion. This section could use more focus to draw attention to timelines. For example, the first sentence of this paragraph draws attention to the city which I found as confusing. Maybe instead draw more emphasis to the empires and dynasties of this period (as well as possibly in the subheadings defining timelines for each of these subsections.

"The ancient city Pithunda, capital of Kalinga (modern Odisha), is described in the Jain text Uttaradhyana Sutra as an important centre at the time of Mahāvīra, and was frequented by merchants from Champa.[150] Rishabhanatha, the first tirthankara, was revered and worshiped in Pithunda and was known as the Kalinga Jina. Mahapadma Nanda (c. 450 – 362 BCE) conquered Kalinga and took a statue of Rishabha from Pithunda to his capital in Magadha. Jainism is said to have flourished under the Nanda Empire.[151]"

Expansion - good

Community -- Sources and list looks good. May be better suited as prose per MoS.

Schools and branches -- A couple sort paragraphs here that could be addressed.

Jain literature -- Here there are also a few short-ish paragraphs that could be expanded upon. Sources and images look good.

Art and architecture -- Unaddressed tag here - page needed.

"A Jain temple, Derasar or Basadi is a place of worship for Jains. Jain temples are built with various architectural designs, [page needed] but there are mainly two type of Jain temples: Shikar-bandhi Jain temple (one with a dome), and Ghar Jain temple (Jain house temple – one without a dome)."

Few other short paragraphs, including the below..

"The 8th century Kazhugumalai temple marks the revival of Jainism in South India."

Reception -- okay, could use more work.

GA Template Pass/Fail[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

Is it well written?
A. The prose is clear and concise, and the spelling and grammar are correct: - prose is inconsistent in places, needs some cleanup still in some of the sections towards the bottom. Points I have also made above.

B. It complies with the manual of style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation: - could still use some expansion with practices
Is it verifiable with no original research?
A. It contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline:

B. All in-line citations are from reliable sources, including those for direct quotations, statistics, published opinion, counter-intuitive or controversial statements that are challenged or likely to be challenged, and contentious material relating to living persons—science-based articles should follow the scientific citation guidelines:

C. It contains no original research:

D. It contains no copyright violations nor plagiarism: - checked https://tools.wmflabs.org/copyvios/ for webpages, unable to verify book sources.
Is it broad in its coverage?
A. It addresses the main aspects of the topic:

B. It stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style): - seems fine, although very lengthy article
Is it neutral?
It represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each:
Is it stable?
It does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute:
Is it illustrated, if possible, by images?
A. Images are tagged with their copyright status, and valid fair use rationales are provided for non-free content:

B. Images are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions:
Overall:
Pass or Fail:

Comment[edit]

The prose quality is poor, the article has POV and "failed verification" issues in some sections. I have started a discussion on the talk page about this issue. Other issues in this article mirror those mentioned by two other editors in another article nominated by Capankajsmilyo, which may be found here. I suggest the article be not promoted for now. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 19:12, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Sarah, thanks for taking the time to comment on this review. I noted the prose issues, but I think your points raised in the other discussion thread as well as OR is enough to merit some further review on this. I appreciate you also pulling from the cited sources and reviewing the same info on this - which I did not have access to. I think it should therefore get some further revising to get it up to par for POV and the points mentioned by you and myself above. Thanks! Shaded0 (talk) 14:38, 30 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]