Talk:Human trophy collecting

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I Samuel 19:25-27[edit]

I Samuel 19

25 And Saul said, Thus shall ye say to David, The king desireth not any dowry, but an hundred foreskins of the Philistines, to be avenged of the king's enemies. But Saul thought to make David fall by the hand of the Philistines. 26 And when his servants told David these words, it pleased David well to be the king's son in law: and the days were not expired. 27 Wherefore David arose and went, he and his men, and slew of the Philistines two hundred men; and David brought their foreskins, and they gave them in full tale to the king, that he might be the king's son in law. And Saul gave him Michal his daughter to wife.

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dthomsen8 (talk • contribs)

Good find! I'll add that to the article. Dream Focus 15:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

And where does this passage say that the foreskins are a "trophy", rather than merely proof of having slain 200 Philistines? Does the Bible state that they were displayed as trophies (seems unlikely that they would have been)? The inclusion of this 'example' appears to be extrapolative WP:Synthesis. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 02:44, 31 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Coherence of scope of article[edit]

Why is body snatching out as "an individual/illegal/unaccepted act", but "Murderers' collection of their victims' body parts" not only in but part of the article's lead?

This is the problem of an article whose topic has no WP:RS definition -- its scope is inherently the WP:OR opinions of editors.

Oh, and what the hades is a "cultural aspect"? Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 18:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'd actually like to remove the "Murderers' collection of their victims' body parts" portion, as again that's an anomalous practice, as opposed to something that's widely practiced within a subculture. I agree that there needs to be some nailing down on an RS that more clearly outlines this concept, but I'd argue that there's a pretty clear (though not necessarily universal) trend among humans to preserve portions of human bodies for cultural reasons. MatthewVanitas (talk) 00:55, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, but I would suspect that the range of "cultural reasons" are sufficiently disparate (ranging from morbid souveniring, to humiliation/revenge, to appropriating the victim's power, to veneration) as to render a single article on the subject an WP:INDISCRIMINATE grab-bag, and also make a 'clear outline of the concept' problematical-to-impossible. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 06:31, 30 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

'Trophies of the marketplace' section[edit]

This section's title & scope is incoherent and largely irrelevant to the article's topic. Where body-snatching is conducted for medical research or commercial profit, it is not "human trophy collecting", and where it is to "retain trophy" [sic] it is not "of the marketplace". Hrafn^Talk_Stalk^(P) 11:52, 4 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Differentiation between "dominance" and "commemoration"[edit]

The examples listed as "commemoration" seem to have no criteria, as some are cultural practices consented to by the deceased and others are war trophies not significantly different from those listed as acts of dominance. Should these sections be combined or some of the examples reassigned? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.221.58.200 (talk) 19:27, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, looks like the categories are left over from the article creation, the original very short with no references at all, so it has never been comprehensive or well-structured. I'd say be bold and take a whack at re-organizing it if you feel like it. --▸₷truthious Ⓑandersnatch◂ 19:37, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]