Talk:Huguenot cross

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Just started this article, orginially it was supposed to be a direct translation of the French Wikipedia article, but it has become a paraphrase of the Italian, German, Spanish and French articles.--Meshsa 12:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

More information to add[edit]

I found more information here: Huguenot Society of South Africa[1]If someone would be so kind as to add it. The (unverified) story could be included as trivia. The part about the pearl replacing the dove in times of persecution (as a symbol of a teardrop) definately deserves some mention. I'm just not clued up Wikipedi-ish, and would appreciate the help. Maggiedj (talk) 10:40, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not history[edit]

This article, for all the elaborated explication of its symbolisms, is not history, any more than its naive model in French Wikipedia "Croix_huguenote". The goldsmith Maystre at Nîmes, making such a cross in 1688, is apparently a phantom. The Musée du Désert sells copies of their brochure by Pierre Bourget, La Croix Huguenote (1991) at their giftshop, as well as a wide selection of Croix Huguenotes. Was the "Huguenot cross" invented in reaction to Louis XIV's installation of the Order of Saint Louis, 1693, as noted in a timeline in Matthew Glozier, The Huguenot soldiers of William of Orange and the "Glorious Revolution" of 1688, s.d. 29 July 1693: "Louis XIV creates Order of St. Louis. Huguenot soldiers adopt the 'Huguenot cross.'" (Google books peek). The "revival" [sic] (or invention) of this emblem dates to 1910: is there really no earlier image or example? If I were a tagger instead of an editor, I'd tag these unsupportable statements. Can anyone help? --Wetman (talk) 22:54, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is not to say that the Huguenot cross has not been widely displayed during the 20th century, nor to deny that it is today a powerful symbol, nor that the so-called "Occitan cross" of the Counts of Toulouse, on which it's based, is not historical. The National Huguenot Society webpage states: "This particular design was discovered by the Reverend Andrew Mailhet in the province of Languedoc, France, and dates from at least the eighteenth century. It has become known as the cross of Languedoc." These words are copied across the Internet without any further context. Who was Rev. Mailhet and what did he discover? Did he ever publish anything, or was this just his Original Research?--Wetman (talk) 23:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Have I not phrased these questions and doubts clearly, or is there just no interest in real history?--Wetman (talk) 00:58, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a fascinating topic, but it qualifies as original research... and it's Wikipedia policy not to conduct original research. However, if you do the research on your own, publish it somewhere (a website, or an article in a magazine or a journal), then of course that information could be supplied here. Classical geographer (talk) 09:29, 14 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Even pseudohistory such as this article needs sourcing. I have flagged two assertions, one that needs an example and one a published reference, in order not to offer a much more obvious example of Wikipedia:Original Research than my objections, all of which are based on phantoms ("goldsmith Maystre at Nîmes", "Rev. Mailhet") that are without citations.--Wetman (talk) 00:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unwarranted connections: original research[edit]

I have moved the following here, for obvious reasons:

" The Catholic King of France Henry III executed the famous Protestant leader Charles du Puy-Montbrun in Grenoble on the 12 August 1575. In 1578, Henry III established the Order of the Holy Spirit, which has as its symbol the same cross as the Huguenot cross - even the dove is similar to the Huguenot one. The eight-pointed cross was first introduced for the Order of the Knights of St. John of Jerusalem (the Knights Hospitaller) during the first Crusade by Raymond du Puy-Montbrun, who was the first Grand Master of that Order and ancestor of Charles du Puy-Montbrun. "

What historian makes a connection between the execution of Puy-Montbrun in 1575 and the creation of the Order of the Saint-Esprit 1578? Which is similar to which, since no actual examples of a "Huguenot cross" older than the 19th century are presented anywhere in the (unreferenced) literature? What connection is made by a reputable source with Raymond du Puy-Montbrun and the Huguenot cross?--Wetman (talk) 01:04, 28 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]