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Revert Edit[edit]

Can someone please change the Hoya article back to its original form? Some stupid vandals edited it to say that it is a beaver from Australia. The Updater would like to talk to you! 14:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Species[edit]

I've pared down the list to species that are not only in Albers & Meve, but also on both Kew & Tropicos lists as valid. I understand that this means deleting quite a few favorites - but I humbly suggest the following: if you must re-add to the list, write an actual article on the species. (I have not deleted names with articles.) Then we can all judge whether it is verifiable or not. And above all else, I beg you please do not bring the rancor often found in the Hoya blogosphere here. TIA! Cypella (talk) 05:53, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What Kew database are you using (WCSP doesn't have an entry for the genus, unfortunately)? Sminthopsis84 (talk) 13:04, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No - WCSP still has a lot of gaping holes but it's getting there slowly but surely. For Kew, I am using IPNI from the ePic server, and sometimes even GBIF for locality. However, Tropicos has the better take on synonymity, which is not saying much. And of course, none of the above are faultless. Any other suggestions? Cheers! Cypella (talk) 00:30, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Plant List has provisional WCSP information: see [1]. I would be inclined to include only those names "accepted" in this source. Peter coxhead (talk) 11:46, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Peter, thank you for catching the italics - I always overlook them. The suggestion about The Plant List appeals to my taxonomically "conservative" leanings, but with one caveat: you'll notice that a large majority of "accepted" species come from the Flora of China list. If I were to pare the list down to that, could there be political repercussions (the genus is already a hobbyist's bloody battleground... do we really want to deal with Angry Tongans)? Awaiting the judgement of my betters, I remain Cypella (talk) 13:41, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I hadn't looked into WCSP's sources. So maybe it just has to be left until WCSP produces a fully reviewed list. Peter coxhead (talk) 19:46, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. Thanks for your help! Cypella (talk) 04:52, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Cypella: we do really need to say at the start of the list of species where the information came from. If I understand correctly, it can say something like "Species listed here are those given in Albers & Meve and accepted by both The Plant List and Tropicos." and then have references to these three. (I can add the last two myself, but "Albers & Meve" isn't in the article and I don't know it.) Peter coxhead (talk) 20:44, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

FWIW the reference would presumably be Albers, F.; Meve, U. (2002). Illustrated Handbook of Succulent Plants: Asclepiadaceae. Springer Verlag. ISBN 9783540419648.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link), only snippets available online. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 22:17, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, to both of you, for all the instruction. I'm learning - slowly but surely. I've got no problems with the list suggestion, only I've already listed "Albers & Meve" as (ed.), Focke Albers ... (2002). Focke Albers, ed. Asclepiadaceae (2nd print. corr. Print. by books on demand. ed.). Berlin [u.a.]: Springer. pp. 321 p. ISBN 978-3540419648. using one of the reference templates (I forget which.) Should I revert it to Sminthopsis' reference, even though the ISBN seems to be identical? (BTW - I am in possession of a physical copy irl. Imho good view of the zeitgeist in the Asclepiad world...) Apologies for taking up so much of y'all's time. Cypella (talk) 08:43, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I've put what I think is correct at the start of the list, and slightly revised its format. For some reason, TPL and Tropicos are down right now, so I can't check and add the precise URL for Hoya. (Don't apologize! This is basically a sound article. It just needs more inline citing, which takes time to learn to do.) Peter coxhead (talk) 09:19, 21 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ENGVAR of the article[edit]

I labelled the article as being in British English on the basis of the spellings ("colour", "honour", etc.) after someone had added some material using an American English spelling. It may be that another WP:ENGVAR is more appropriate, but any change should be agreed here (see MOS:RETAIN) and the article labelled accordingly.Peter coxhead (talk) 12:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Species[edit]

Heads up to interested editors, I've moved the majority of the species list to list of Hoya species. The bluelinks have been left here as a "selected" list. The scope given here was too limited IMO, and it can be expanded without losing validity in a separate article where there is room to explain the scope. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 15:06, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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