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Homer "Jojo" Simpson

I remember reading a comic from the library, and it explained why Homer was named "Homer J Simpson." I believe Nancy Cartwright said a line along the lines of "I'm Bartholomew J Simpson." Afterwords, when being asked what J stood for, she simply said "Jojo." The name stuck for Homer and other Simpson members. I believe this is the REAL middle name of many Simpsons characters, and should thusly be chaged. I will try to find the comic again, but I wouldn't depend on it.

J stands for Jay. There was a complete episode about it. PrometheusX303 22:41, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

They weren’t all happy days

This is the moment when Marge corrects Homer by telling him his recalled memory was an episode of happy days, to which Homer replies “no, they weren’t all happy days”. The comedy here arises in the misunderstanding.

Coyotequi 02:41, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Comments at the top which shouldn't have been

"Homer has bad heart problems from eating too much - this caused him to have a quadruple bypass operation. This heart promblem reoccurs in the series, for example when he is on the tooth chipper."

Added this to health problems Yellow Element 20:19, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Can't believe my edits up to the 14th were reverted. This article desperately needs a more deadpan, dispassionate tone. 16 Feb

While watching the Simpsons tonight, it came to my attention that Homer strongly dislikes charity. The episode where he gets roasted ("Are the proceeds going to charity?") and the one where the family goes to the Springfield preparatory school come to mind. Should this be mentioned in the article? Impaciente 02:41, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Also, while the Health Issues section is really funny in its current format, it is somewhat hard to read...does anyone agree with putting it in point form list?--Toquinha 14:21, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey, does anybody object to me putting a section on uncharacteristic moments of brilliance (eg: Homer doctoring his demotivational workplace sign to read "Do it for her" instead of "Don't forget you're here forever", or saying "Karma can only be partitioned by the cosmos")?

--Toquinha 06:51, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"if you can call it "working" at all"

Are humorous comments appropriate for an encyclopedia? More fact and history would be nice in these articles if anyone has a chance. Without more information its hard to justify an article about a cartoon character.

He's a popular cartoon character. If there are college courses about TV, why not an encyclopedia entry? We're trying to be comprehensive here. And in a article about a cartoon character I would think humorous comments would be expected. --Calieber 12:49, 26 Sep 2003 (UTC)

In my opinion this should be described in a less informal way. --Daniel C. Boyer

I am unalterably opposed to any humorous comments about comedy shows on television. How dare anyone make fun of satire?! --Ed Poor

It's perfectly possibly to be funny and satirical while serious. It's called deadpan. Goscinny excelled at it. :-) Tarquin


Isn't "Homer Simpson" also the name of a character in "Day of the Locust"? I haven't read the book, but does anybody who has want to make a go of it? john 21:35 May 4, 2003 (UTC)

Characters in The Simpsons don't age, or Maggie must be a very slow developer. DJ Clayworth 21:38, 26 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Hey, I thought I'd just poke in here and apologize. I've only just now registered and I suppose I can take the responsiblity (and blame) for the massive edits and mild refactors on this page since late September 2003. I believe the IP's 68.161.145.208, 151.204.133.18, 68.161.158.99, 68.161.148.133 are in fact, me. My apology extends to the problem that I used this space and the List of characters from The Simpsons as my 'sandbox' and was negligent in the use of the 'show preview' feature. I now know this results in 'watchlist' and 'recent changes' occurrences, and that must have bothered some. I am very sorry for any inconvenience.

With regards to those changes I've made, I'm a supporter of the goofier entries in Wikipedia such as cartoon characters, but within moderation. The large numbers of pages related to the Simpsons should, in my opinion, be trimmed back to fewer pages with meatier content throughout. I am less accepting of pages dedicated to throwaway lines and non sequiturs (such as the former "Jebus" debate, which was fed to this page, and I believe I removed) and feel if they can't be tied into a catch-all page and can't be justified as stand-alones they should be tossed. As for content quality on these pages of oddities, the encyclopedic context can best be written as that of an entertainment writer and at the same time a pseudo-biographer. That, at least, was my goal when editing the body of Homer's entry.

Again, apologies all around and I hope the changes have been well received. This note will be mostly reposted on the List of characters from The Simpsons talk page to clean up all my messes. Domhnall

I'm new to this... apologies for social errors... This needs a page on the house. I'm trying to compile comprehensive info on Simpson's home - hopefully for Christmas present for number-one-fan/my son. Thanks for all info, I'll make a flashy encyclopedia entry when done.

A nice thought. The rules for picture rights on Wikipedia are strict, so some floor plans might be beneficial. Domhnall
That would be hard to do, because the house changes sometimes (especially placement of rooms on the second floor). Adam Bishop 04:40, 2 Dec 2003 (UTC)
Hmmm, forgot about that. Like the sometime-door to the basement is also a closet. I know there are some rather clumsy maps on fansites that may be a good starting-point. This may have to be a vague visual, if drawn up, like the vagueness of written descriptions. Correct me if I'm wrong: Maggie's room is front left. Parents are Flanders-side. Next to them, facing back is Lisa. Then Bart is rear by the treehouse. Remaining space undefined. Access to attic by pull-down stairs in hall. Further, the odd corner in the kitchen has an opening into the dining room facing front and another opening to the side that leads to an undefined space connecting to the garage. This is also a sometime-access to the basement. Domhnall

There must be some kind of error on the show about voting rights. In the episode where Apu was at risk of getting deported, Homer said he wasn't registered to vote. In the episode when Sideshow Bob became mayor, Homer voted for him. If you aren't registered, you can't vote. Unless his right was revoked somehow.- B-101 17:29, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • Never overlook the possibility of gross incompetence on the part of the voting station clerks. ;) Krupo 18:31, Oct 12, 2004 (UTC)

I think Homer is somehow the opposite of Maggie. Didn't you all notice? Their gender, their "sizes," their IQ, hair....are all different!--Jerrypp772000 00:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

"For you, I'll be as dull as Dilbert."

Which episode is that quote from? Krupo 21:08, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)

I believe it was the episode in which Homer has his jaw wired shut. Most of the quotes on this page are not verbatim. Call me a stickler, but this is an encyclopedia, is it not?

You are correct, the title of the episode is "Jaws Wired Shut", it's episode 9 in season 13, if you're interested.

Homer simpson's health

been in a coma because of an April Fool prank and was in the center of an explosion caused by an overshook beer can ... I don't think this should be listed twice, isn't it the same event?

Yes it is the same event. It must be changed!


Criminal record

I think it would be informative and funny to add up all of Homers crimes

  • It would be, but currently isn't, since this list is incredibly partial and misses out so much salient material. I'm going to take this off - if someone actually wants to sit down and work this out, then post a provisional list, that would be a good idea - although it should probably be a separate article by my reckoning!XmarkX 15:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • "Cool, Dad's been in prison six times! Awww... Mum's only been in twice!"—Bart. --Deathphoenix 16:44, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Reverend Homer Jay Simpson?

Should I add title "The Rev." to his name at the beginning of the article? Technically, he is an ordained minister. MessedRocker 15:27, Apr 16, 2005 (UTC)

Homer's ordained minister position is not replayed in more than one episode, as far as I know. It's not a major title for him, thus it shouldn't be displayed in his title. It'd more than likely confuse most people. --Iwhaiwnfi 18:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Max Power redirect

I know that Homer used the name off a hairdryer but surely it should direct to Max Power magazine. I was taken from an article on Chav's to here.

Simpsons Trivia

seems to me that at the moment a lot of clutter around the bottom of this article is general Simpsons trivia that does not merit inclusion in an article on Homer Simpson. The only things that I don't think fall into this category are the lists of his jobs. I'm minded to delete most of the rest of this, but I'm just sounding opinion out first.XmarkX 15:56, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You should keep it, a list of Homer Simpson's occupations could come in handy. MessedRocker 19:53, Apr 19, 2005 (UTC)

i think homer's jobs should be (if removed) have their own separate linked article.

That's not a bad idea. Homer's past jobs have so many entries (since each job is often the subject of a new episode) that perhaps it's time for his jobs to receive a new article. --Deathphoenix 12:14, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A very odd redirection.

Just for kicks, I enter 'jeebus' into the bar and enter go. I come up with this. I'm a big fan, but having homer pop up doesn't seem normal.

It was popularized by Homer. See relevant discussion here--Will2k 05:25, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Quotes

Yes, I removed them all. I am not sorry. See that Wikiquote link? Use it. 82.92.119.11 2 July 2005 15:46 (UTC)

North Carolina???

What is the basis for saying Homer is a "person" from North Carolina? (see category)

Good question. It seems to have been done on June 30 by 69.134.50.153, claiming that "all sources show he was born in North Carolina...see http://www.snpp.com/guides/homer.file.html)". The work of overly devoted fans notwithstanding, the producers of the show have never specified the state of Homer's birth. I'll axe it. -DynSkeet (talk)

Homer's "Official" Age

According to The Simpsons: A complete Guide to Our Favorite Family (which was created by Matt Groening, creator of The Simpsons, and is probably an official Simpsons source), Homer is 36 years old. I just brought it up because this source wasn't mentioned in the article.

Homer J. Simpson

Should his full name be the article? I mean, it's not like it's unused; anyone who watches Simpsons often knows it. -- A Link to the Past 09:42, July 24, 2005 (UTC)

Featured Pictures

The three featured pictures of Homer with this article are several years out of date (I know this because of the subtle changes in animation in the new episodes). The portrait of Homer with the Dan Castellaneta article looks more modern. Anyone got an up-to-date pic?


Can he read?

I just wondered if Homer Simpson could actually read or not. In the episode with Alec Baldwin and Kim Basinger, Homer tells his secret to the stars: I can't read (I recognized the logo...), but maybe he had no secret so he told something foolish. Anyway, in another episode, Homer reads but he takes the paper upside down so it's like he fakes it. I think there are other episodes where they talk about the fact homer can't read. Are there? Julien Tuerlinckx 11:30, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

He might not be able to read Brideshead Revisited but he can read and write with an adequate vocabulary. Remember the episode in which he wrote the angry letter to Mr. Burns but was too scared to mail it? Or the episode in which he posted news as Mr. X? Robert Happelberg 23:16, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
Bart wrote the letter. But I see where your comming from.--220.238.248.148 07:43, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
Of course he can read! In the episode "Itchy & Scratchy: The Movie" Homer goes to Lisa's class for Parent-Teacher Night, where the following dialogue takes place:
Mrs. Hoover: Mr. Simpson. I just wanted to tell you that you've done a wonderful job with Lisa. You must have read to her at a young age.
Homer: I did! I did read to her!
Flashback to when Lisa was a toddler. Homer is reading the TV guide to her.
Homer: "8 O'clock; "Happy Days". The Fonz (Henry Winkler) is afraid he's losing his cool."
Back to the present.
Homer: I've always been a firm believer in the three R's: Reading TV Guide, uh, 'Riting to TV Guide, and, uh.. Renewing TV Guide.
This isn't the only time that Homer reads either. There are other times (taking exams comes to mind) when he clearly demonstrates literacy. Matatigre36 20:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
  • He can read; he just doesn't write or spell very well. We've seen his hideous penmanship in "Bart the Genius" and "Bart the Heir" and his atrocious spelling in the ep where he becomes a food critic. The_Iconoclast 16:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Every State?

It states (...) that Homer has been banned from every state in the nation, with North Dakota and Arizona being the two exceptions. In the episode "Sweet And Sour Marge", they say that Tennesee is, and I quote, "south of the border". Tennesee is located directly south of Kentucky, a state which contains not only a Springfield, but also a Shelbyville. While I'm aware of the almost infamous controversy (however light-hearted) over exactly which state the show takes place in, wouldn't this place them in a state they are supposedly banned from? Is this just adding fuel to the fire of retardation on the issue, or did I just blow your minds? - Refugee621 06:35, 7 October 2005 (UTC) 

  That doesn't prove he was banned. They also blocked out states they didn't want to go to.Matt-Likes-Pie 22:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Who is Homer beating up?

In episode CABF11 where Lisa is having a bullying problem, Homer is seen beating up a guy while singing Kung Fu Fighting. This bit tell us that Homer is a bully in his past. Horever, I wonder who Homer is beating up. Is it Smithers, Artie Ziff of Frank Grimes, or someone else? In this site they guess it is Smithers, but I think he is actually beating up Frank Grimes (based on the Hair cut and the fact that Homer was bullying Grimes later in his life).

He wasn't bullying Grimes, and Grimes didn't go to school. It was Smithers. Oh, and sign your posts, please.--Jnelson09 22:44, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Religion (Proof)

  • In CABF11 Homer claims to be a Hindu too
  • In AABF05 Homer was Muslim ("Even during Ramadan?)--220.238.29.52 14:21, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
    • The 2nd one is not conclusive. -LtNOWIS 03:16, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
    • How would Homer of all people know of the Islamic month of Ramadan, unless he was a muslim? If you ask me this is more conclusive than the Hindu claim--220.238.238.21 04:25, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
    • Erm. I'm not Muslim and know what Ramadan is (besides, I'm almost certain Homer could not fast that long...). Does that make everyone who mentions Christmas a Christian? smurrayinaHauntedHouse...Boo!(User), (Talk) 20:23, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
      • Erm. No it doesn't. I'm just saying Homer is an idiot and think he would have to have been affilaited with the religion. BTW, I'm not Muslim either and know what Ramadan is.--220.238.248.148 07:28, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
      • "(besides, I'm almost certain Homer could not fast that long...)" 1. Fasting is just a daylight thing. And 2. Homer can go with out food (See Hungry Hungry Homer)--220.238.248.148 07:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
      • Although Homer couldn’t live without pork, bacon and ham, but this should be an issue because he isn’t likely to follow the rules in either case.
      • The thing with the Simpsons is that the show almost thrives on incontinuity. Lisa is Bhuddist, but still goes to church with her parents, although she shows alot of rebellion towards her parents, so she probably wouldn't go to church if she didn't want to. Also, Homer goes to church, so he IS a god-fearing man, meaning Homer would not eat pork, bacon, or ham, for fear of Damnation. But the fact that he goes to church leads me to believe that he is a christian in the first place. That is just my theory though.
      • So the logic here is, "Homer is an idiot, so we assume that he would only know fact A about religion B if he were a member of religion B?" That has to be the weakest basis for a Simpsons theory I've ever heard. Here are a few alternate hypotheticals, any one of which demonstrates reasonable doubt that Homer implies that he is Muslim:
        • He saw something about Ramadan on television. (this is the most obvious and likely)
        • Someone told him about Ramadan at Moe's.
        • I believe Apu is Hindu, but he might well have explained the concept to Homer, having been raised in a culture with a large Muslim presence.
        • Homer may have said or done something offensive to a Muslim at the plant, and had the concept of Ramadan explained to him by HR.
        • Homer might have considered converting to Islam (for whatever reason), found out about Ramadan (among a number of other features of the religion that he would find frightening such as dietary restrictions and regular payer) and given up.
  • In GABF09 Homer and Bart turn to Catholicism and in the end Homer (or Bart, from the episode description) says that that it's stupid to fight over a minute detail (or something like that, poor old memory talking here). Dunno if it should be mentioned though. └ VodkaJazz/talk┐ 17:48, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Homer

Anon contribution to the Homer article moved here for discussion. That article sees quite a few Simpson fans. WBardwin 00:54, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

The ideal of Homer was the inspiration for the Simpsons character of the same name. Although the animated character has evolved over the years to the character we know today, some earlier versions were a good likeness of the traditional image of Homer, in fact an episode was written (but never animated or released) in which Homer the animated character was blind. Many are skeptical of this, mostly because of the TV character's lazy nature, but if considered in a deeper sense the elements of a storyteller make sense in keeping with the show's anti-moral additude.

I don't think this is right. Homer Simpson was named in honour of Matt Groening's father, Homer Groening. NP Chilla 12:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

Do we need to have so many lists of different events on the page? It is usual around wikipedia to have it referenced in a sentence and then provide links to either a list page or a couple of examples of said action?

At the moment the article is reading like a giant list with a few paragraphs of information at the top (which also contain lists of words to describe his personality)-localzuk 10:29, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree the cleanup is needed. Its more like a fan page than an encyclopedia entry. Unfortunately, I think the only way it will work is if someone has the energy and interest to rewrite the whole thing - and then it is likely to deteriorate again. I wish I had the energy! John (Jwy) 20:27, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Entire list of injuries

Here's the entire run-on sentence listing Homer Simpson's past injuries. —MESSEDROCKER (talk) 04:52, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

Amongst other mishaps, he has blown out his knee; had his thumb cut off; has suffered numerous heart attacks (four of which were simultaneous); undergone coronary artery bypass surgery (performed by Dr. Nick Riviera); had laser eye surgery; stabbed himself in the eye with a switchblade; had his face caught in a suction hose and nearly lost an eye; had stiches in his eyeballs as a result of a crow attack; put an electric drill through his eye while attempting to make eye-holes through a metal bucket that was glued to his head; had a cigarette put out in his eye; broken his back on the top of a fire hydrant during a fight; been in a coma because a candy machine fell on him; donated a kidney; had a crayon wedged into, surgically removed from, and wedged back into his brain; been rendered infertile from radiation exposure; suffered repeated back trauma; been run-over by a bicycle; been crushed several times under a tractor; been institutionalized (twice); nearly destroyed his stomach with beer and cannonballs; been forced by his cruel boss Mr. Burns to consume radioactive waste with a spoon; suffered four simultaneous heart attacks; been attacked by a swarm of bees; had his abdominal area torn open by a potentially rabid badger; suffered alcohol poisoning (twice); been pummeled while inside a robot; been crushed by boulders and wrecking balls; been bitten by venomous snakes; electrocuted himself (by both tasers and power lines); set himself on fire numerous times; suffered multiple gunshot wounds; nearly suffocated after a garage door fell on him; had a parasitic butterfly burrow into his skin and enter his skull; fallen off of Springfield gorge (twice within one day); had a drawbridge close on his head; tried to sign an insurance paper while it was going through a shredder; had a window closed on his head; fallen off cliffs, down stairs, and off the roof of the house frequently; been struck in the face, head, and gut in innumerable brawls and fistfights started because of his poor attitude or incompetence; had his heart ripped out; forcibly torn out a behavioral modification chip, causing brain damage; ate Guatamalan insanity peppers, claimed to suffer from hemophilia; temporarily went blind; been shot in the by a nail gun (one in each ear and two in the hand) ; been hit by a car driven by Marge Simpson; been beaten up by paramedics the first time he got alcohol poisoning, had the back of his head missing from sharp blades after a self-cleaning house attacked him (Simpsons Treehouse of Horror) and had both his arms stuck in vending machines; has been hit in the head with a hammer by his daughter, Maggie; been struck by lightning in the mouth; had air injected into his bloodstream via an empty syringe; had his jaw wired shut after running face first into a metal statue of a boxer with an extended arm; had his entire body covered in porcupine quills in a Chinese hospital; been strangled on several occasions; inhaled a tranquilizer dart; been shot four times in the forehead with a nail gun; went through the gears of an old watermill, fallen off of a cliff into a lake in his car; eaten various items that would normally kill or severely sicken a human (a moldy, mushroom bearing sub sandwich and spoonfulls of baking soda, consumed radioactive waste, to name a few); been dragged by a hook in his nostril; cut his face excessively after shaving with a straight razor causing very severe bleeding; been jabbed in the testicles by a viking hat mounted on a bicycle being ridden by Bart; has had at least two pennies go into his bloodstream; eaten improperly cut poisonous pufferfish in a restaurant; had several hits to the groin during ski accident; had a large pipe fall on his head (causing 20 percent brain damage); claimed to have suffered three strokes (the third one resulting in memory deficits); was once infected with chicken pox;

Quotes

As part of the attempt to clean up, a bulk of quotes have been moved to WikiQuote - quotes showing Homer's sexuality, religion or otherwise are acceptable, but general "stupid quotes" or "quotes about food" definitely do not belong here. Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 22:18, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Also removed == Family, friends, and enemies ==

Bonding or little talks with...

  • [ 8F07 ] Bart - building the soapbox racer; when Bart wins the race
  • [ 8F16 ] Bart - After Bart congratulates him ending of the love letter.
  • [ Maggie - Felt that he couldn't be a fatherly figure to Lisa and doesn't want to be one for Bart, so bonds with Maggie

Forgetting children

  • [ 8F15 ] Thought he only had two kids, and when told he had three, he said "The dog doesn't count as a kid!"
  • [ EABF03 ] Thinks Maggie is Lisa's best friend

Strangling Bart

  • [ 7F02 ] after Bart spilt his bottle of Dimoxinil
  • [ 2F04 ] after Bart looks Homer in the eye and tells him that he did not steal the church collection money
  • [ 8F05 ] when Bart says he won't even use the bathroom after him.
  • [ 8F06 ] too busy strangling (young) Bart to notice Maggie saying "dada"
  • [ 8F11 ] when he realizes Bart fooled him with a fake radio announcement
  • [ 9F08 ] strangles baby Bart for calling him "Domer" and for flushing his wallet down the toilet
  • [ 9F17 ] when Bart admits to shaking up the beer can
  • [ 1F20 ] after Bart says that Homer double-dared him
  • [ CABF01 ] while Lisa sees the house with binoculars

Correcting Bart or Lisa

  • [ 7G11 ] Bart: "Dad, you're giving in to mob mentality." "No I'm not, I'm hopping on the bandwagon!"
  • [ 9F19 ] "Two wrongs make a right, Lisa."
  • [ 1F15 ] "Lisa, a guy who's got lots of ivory is less likely to hurt Stampy than a guy whose ivory supplies are low."
  • [ 1F15 ] Homer: "I owe it all to this feisty feline". Lisa: "Dad, Feline means cat". Homer: "Elephant honey. It's an elephant!"
  • [ 3F03 ] Homer: "Lisa honey, are you saying you're never going to eat any animal again? What about bacon?" Lisa: "No." Homer: "Ham?" Lisa: "No." Homer: "Pork chops?" Lisa: "Dad! Those all come from the same animal!" Homer: "Yeah right Lisa, a wonderful, MAGICAL animal!"
  • [ 1F04 ] Lisa: ";;Mom! Dad! Mr. Burns is a vampire and he has Bart!" (...) Homer: "Lisa you and your stories... 'Bart is a vampire', 'Beer kills brain cells'... now let's go to that building thingy... where our beds and TV... is."
  • [ 1F04 ] Lisa: "Ewww... Dad this is blood!" Homer: "Correction Lisa: Free blood!"

Suggestive snuggling with Marge

  • [ 7G01 ] At the very end of episode
  • [ 8F19 ] at end, in bed with Marge
  • [ 8F22 ] after he learns some new vocabulary
  • [ 9F01 ] while Marge is praying for him
  • [ 9F07 ] Wearing Mr. Plow jacket at end
  • [ 9F11 ] Watching "The erotic adventures of Hercules" ("The Cyclops just tore off my clothes!")
  • [ 1F07 ] In hotel

In the putt-putt golf windmill

Homer vs. Flanders

  • [ 7G09 ] "Don't try to keep up with the Flandereses"
  • [ 9F22 ] When Chief Wiggum says once a man is in your house you can do what you want to him, so Homer calls Flanders and gets ready to punch him
  • [ 1F10 ] He says, "that life is one defeat after another until you just wish Flanders was dead"
  • [ 1F14 ] plans to hit Ned over the head with a lead pipe and take his football tickets
  • [ 5F16 ] takes part in the race because Flanders takes part too

This is crap, and doesn't belong in an encyclopaedic article about the character, may I suggest you people go to Geocities and create fan pages? Sherurcij (talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject) 20:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Family Tree

Whrere did this come from? Surely all those names were not mentioned on the show.

I'm pretty sure that came from a book (copyrighted, too). I will find out for sure next time I see the book. ejdmoo 01:57, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Do we really need the whole tree? As it is right now, it just clutters the article, and in my opinion it should only show Homer and the family, and their ancestors as the others have little to do with Homer in particular, or possibly be moved to another article or deleted all together. Bjelleklang - talk 11:30, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Lists, lists, lists!

This entire article is full of lists. Lists of food that he likes, lists of his behaviour, lists, lists, lists! Sorry for the rant but I think it needs a complete rewrite. I am willing to give it a go but I want some suggestions? What should be included? -Localzuk (talk) 19:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The PIN

Could everyone just eliminate the PIN altogether. That is deadweight. And that is why I keep trying to delete it.

Yes. I agree. It is trivia and 90% of the stuff in this article is trivia. We need to cut a lot of stuff out and retain some of it in a 'Trivia' section. -Localzuk (talk) 19:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Homer's Height

I dont agree that homer is 6 feet tall, i believe he stands at 5'9, since he is the same height as mel gibson , in the mel gibson episode.

Homer is just over 5.5 ft according to his mugshot from 1988 in which he is wearing a "Haig in 88'" shirt (season 7 episode "Who shot Mr. Burns (part 2)). That'd put him at ~5'7". However, in the opening couch gag of the saem episode he is in front a lineup backdrop with height measures that put him at 6 foot even. This may be as a result of his shoes or maybe since its an intro gag it isn't canon/we can assume it isn't "official".

I doubt he'd be any taller than 5'10". Unless the man is Dutch (who currently are the tallest in the world, with an average height of 6'1"), it's more realistic he'd be about that height. I think. 70.49.240.116 15:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Age

Since time doesn't really pass on the show, Homer's age and weight should stand as "36 and 239."

I agree that time doesnt stop so maybe there should only be there birth days in the articles,because they techically have no age since its a timelless show,i think that is what causes the confusion of ages.67.71.61.252 16:08, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

March 15, 2006

Reverting mass deletions.Dlohcierekim 00:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Dont say that was a bad deletion,this article requires mass cleanup,doesnt anyone think so.Rodrigue 00:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)rodrigue

That us your opinion. I might even agree with it. However, the other editors of this page may have opinions that disagree with your yours. Mass deletions should be decided upon through discussion and consensus building. Propose your changes here. Leave a note on the talk pages of others who have edited this page inviting them to consider your changes. Get their feedback. Build a consensus. Dlohcierekim 01:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Well ANYONE can agree this article needs to be fixed, so it isnt my opinion.how anyone would like to fix i suppose should be discussed,but it cant stay in this state,you see the headline wich has been there since forever.Rodrigue 01:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Please note that constructive editing (which can include well documented deletion of material (especially unsourced material)) should be accepted warmly under the assumption of good faith, and the request that editors be bold. There is a great deal of fluff in this article which is not critical to the understanding of the subject matter and is not well sourced (when it is sourced at all). Certainly the fact that an edit involved or was limited to deletion should not be the sole criteria for its reversion. -Harmil 19:49, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Chop chop chop (trivia removal)

Many of the discussions above concern removing some of the excess...stuff here. Can we talk here about what might be removed? Joyous | Talk 21:01, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

  1. I think the entire "address" section could be removed. That isn't specific to the character of Homer; it refers to his entire family. If anything needs to be saved, it could be moved into Evergreen Terrace (The Simpsons)
  2. The "family" section is redundant with the infobox, and could be removed.
  3. The crayon-up-the-nose bit is mentioned twice. One needs to be taken out.
  4. Too much stuff in the run-on list in the "diet" section. There's no need to mention every strange thing he's ever eaten.
  5. There are 51 items in the list of Homer's enemies. It's in Homer's nature to be disagreeable, so it's overkill to list every single person that he has a spat with. How about the top 10?

Other thoughts? Joyous | Talk 22:08, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

We need to add info on the historical info on the character in real life, add info on how the character was created, why it became popular, etc, this article is currently pure cruft --205.188.117.14 03:38, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

We need to strip out the lists - there are lists of what type of food he has eaten, his names and aliases, his religions, rap-sheet, music he likes, fictional awards. This is ridiculous. They all need removing and statements about these just being mentioned in passing - they are not important to discovering what/who Homer Simpson is. -Localzuk (talk) 07:11, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

In the middle of editing but must sleep...

I have been going through each section and taking out a little in each one, and I am going to give the whole thing the once-over after I'm done. I guess that would make it the twice-over. Anyway, I'm up to the Height and weight section but I'll continue tomorrow. J. Finkelstein 08:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Address

In the address section it states that Springfield is in Louisiana. But this is just speculation as Springfield could be in almost any US state (see Springfield). St jimmy 10:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the entire address section needs to go away. Joyous | Talk 12:24, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

just say "742 Evergreen Terrace Springfield".St jimmy 11:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

It was mentioned in the "Behind the Scenes" episode that The Simpsons are a "Kentuckian" family, and there is a Springfield in Kentucky. Also, when Mr. Burns once mentioned that he is going south of the border to get sugar, Homer immediately asked "Tennessee?" which is south of Kentucky. It seems that Kentucky is most likely the home state of the Simpson family.

link. Best to just say as Jimmy wrote above. GfloresTalk 01:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

List of Enemies

This is a list of all of Homer's enemies.

oops--Anchoress 06:02, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Why did you put your name here? J. Finkelstein 07:03, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Done with A LOT of cleaning

I did a lot of stuff but there's still a ton to do. Most importantly, as User:Localzuk said above, this is just a bunch of lists. Feel free to remove unnecessary info. Please. Second, almost every sentence requires a citation, so I just took out the {{cite-needed}}tags. You can put them back in if you want, but I would only do that if you are willing to put them everywhere. I was going to put a segment like this

In one episode {{cite-needed}},

in front of every fact, but it didn't seem worth all that effort to me, so wherever you see a "In one episode" or "In another episode", that means there should be a citation for a specific episode like the ones I did in the Age section.

Third, remove or restrain yourself from putting in facts that are funny and don't add anything to the characterization of Homer. What this page should be, I think, is a characterization of the character itself, and not a list of things that the character has done throughout the series.

Fourth, I reduced the size of the file to an acceptable amount, so that's a good start :P .

Finally, if you see something that doesn't have a date with it, put that in there for clarity (like in the Awards and honors section).

Exhausted :P .

Well done, Finkelstein! I submitted Homer for peer review and added some stuff to the todo list. Do you guys think the age section is necessary? Seems something that belongs to fansites. Should the layout be changed? I like Peter Griffin as an example, although that's not perfect either. Gflores Talk 22:54, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
No, I don't think we need a whole section on age. Simpson is in his mid-to-late 30s, but the show's creators have been characteristically ambiguous about his exact age or something like that should suffice. Joyous | Talk 23:14, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

And a couple more things:

  1. If you know the name or the description or something about an episode, look it up on Wikipedia and put in the date and title of the episode like I've done where the episodes are known.
  2. When describing the events in a work of literature (including a television program), use the present tense. I don't know if that's in one of the guides in the Wikipedia namespace, but it's a rule in my writing so it should hold true here. For example, say, "In one episode, Homer goes to Kwik-E-Mart to buy a lottery ticket," but don't say, "Homer went [...]."

Keep up the good work, we only have six days left! J. Finkelstein 04:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

from Fan article to encycopedia article.

This article desperatly needs less fancruft fictional-facts about Homer and more how the carector has influenced the real world. Also it needs to more clearly distinguish fact and fiction, there is some good guidelines for this at Wikipedia:Guide to writing better articles#Check your fiction.--JK the unwise 09:17, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Example a leader in The Guardian claims that the carector offers as true a portrayal of humanity as the original Homer and that "Across the gulf of time, the two adventurers would recognise one another"[1].--JK the unwise 09:30, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Lists

This article appears to me to be just a massive collection of lists with no real purpose. Perhaps we need to create a new article structure.

How's this:

  • intro
  • Description
  • Personality
  • Cultural influences
  • Awards
  • Quotes
  • Trivia

And incorporate those lists into these sections. St jimmy 13:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I think "cultural influences" should be the bulk of the article. I don't see that the "awards" section is necessary, as it's just another list of trivia. "Description" and "personality" could be in one section, and there's already a huge section in Wikiquotes, so there's no need to duplicate that here. Joyous | Talk 13:36, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I agree, but that's such a difficult edit to make. It's basically starting over from scratch, and very few people have the patience to do that, including me, although I would very much like to. Also, we need sources and references for something like that, but I don't have any. Maybe somebody should get on that... Sorry for patronizing, not trying to. J. Finkelstein 14:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Checklist

Ok, I'll be bold and subst the checklist I've been writing at User:Zocky/Article checklist. The idea is that we check each item and sign them when they are done, or discuss them inside the list, as necessary. The list is still under construction, so items may need to be added, removed or clarified. Zocky | picture popups 15:16, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Article checklist

Name and disambiguation
Introduction
  • The first sentence identifies and defines the subject of the article - Zocky | picture popups 15:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • The first paragraph establishes notability and provides context for the definition - Zocky | picture popups 15:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • The introduction section provides an overview of the whole article
  • The name of the article is included in the first sentence, if possible - Zocky | picture popups 15:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Optional: Other important names are listed in the first paragraph
  • Optional: Other relevant names are listed in the intro or an appropriate section
Article body
  • The article is divided into apropriate sections
  • Sections are logically ordered
  • All text is correctly placed in sections
  • Each major section begins with an introductory sentence or paragraph
  • Optional: Detailed sections are split off into detailed articles
    • Split-off articles are properly linked
    • Overviews of split-off articles are provided in appropriate sections
Final sections
  • There is a see also section to provide instantly locatable links to related articles
    • Optional:Long lists of links are broken up into sections or multi-level lists
  • There is a references section to provide sources and references for the article
    • All sources are properly listed
    • Optional:Long lists of references are broken up into sections or multi-level lists
      See Sourcing below for more.
  • Optional:There is an external links section which provides links to appropriate resources on the web
    • Linked websites provide useful, topical information
    • Linked pages are available, and their URLs are current
    • Each link is properly described
  • Optional:There is a further reading section, which provides a list of printed books and/or articles on the subject
    • Listed books provide useful topical information
    • ISBNs are provided
      • Provided ISBNs are valid ISBNs
      • Provided ISBNs are correct ISBNs
Language
  • The article is written in a standard written variant of English
  • Choice of language variant is suitable and consistent
  • Choice of notations (measures, years, etc.) is suitable and consistent
  • Rare words and words with a specialized meaning are explained and/or linked
Text flow
  • Major sections make sense if read immediately after the previous section
  • Major sections make sense if read immediately after the previous major section
  • Major sections make sense if read immediately after the intro
  • Minor sections make sense if read immediately after the previous section
Sourcing
  • All non-obvious facts are either cited from a source, or marked with citation needed
  • All presented POVs are attributed to the originator, and either cited from a source or marked with citation needed
  • All sources are properly listed in the References section
  • The first paragraph is free of footnotes and any needed references are handled in the rest of the intro section.
Layout and formatting
  • The article uses standard layout, unless there is a good reason to do otherwise
  • There is a single blank line between paragraphs
  • Formatting and interpunction is consistent throughout the article
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    • Other appropriate names are bolded on first use
  • Italic
    • Names of complete works (books, films, albums, etc.) are italicized
    • Cited individual words or expressions are italicized
    • Expressions used in the article with a specialized meaning are italicized on first use
  • Quotes
    • Names of smaller works or parts of complete works (chapters, acts, poems, songs, etc.) are "placed in quotes"
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    • Literally quoted statements are "placed in quotes"
Links and redirects
  • All relevant links are included
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Categories
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  • Remaining issues are refactored by subject or, if more appropriate, summarised and archived

Taking an axe to the fancruft...

I just went ahead and removed a massive amount of fancruft, tearing away at entire sections. The sections I've left need a lot of work too, but I left them behind because I believe there is fundamental information about the character in there, and with a bit of work, that information might be able to be distilled and purified for academic, encyclopedic content. For example, the "Health Issues" section contains, amongst all the fancruft, the very important fact that Homer Simpson is accident prone, overweight, and engages in an unhealthy lifestyle. But all that minutia detail can still be cut out. We need to refine and distill! Cut cut cut! When all the cutting is done, then we can start adding the actually needed information, like cultural impact, publishers, authors, inspirations, that sort of thing... Fieari 07:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes! That was my idea, but I wasn't bold enough to do that. I'm always afraid of cutting out something important. But starting from the fundaments and working up from the bottom is the correct way to go about editing this article. Thank you for being bold. J. Finkelstein 13:26, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Nooo!! All the beautiful fancruft... I'll miss you my friend! ...Sorry, I realize this is an encyclopedia and not a..."funcruftopedia" (don't know what to call it), but sometimes that "minutia detail" brings life to what might be an otherwise dull encyclopedia article. But you're right, the article was way too long as it was a few days ago, and much of it had to be chopped. I just hope we can keep enough silly tidbits in there to keep it vibrant and to do justice to Homer's character. Just MHO. Cheers! Matatigre36 21:10, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
This article should eventually fill 32 kB of space. I suppose we should consider "fancruft" to be anything which lies outside what the perfect 32 kB article should contain. Of course, it can't simply be said that anything -cruft is unencyclopedic. Sections concerning "cultural impact, publishers, authors, inspirations, that sort of thing..." are still considered cruft by some. --Oldak Quill 10:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Let's put it this way. This is an encyclopedia for the real world. All information in it should be about real things. Fictional characters can be described in terms of the real world, not in terms of the fictional world. This includes a character overview, short plot summaries, etc, but the bulk of the article should be about real things. We're not working under the principles of "Suspension of Disbelief", where we treat the things on the screen as if they were documenting a real event (which would make all that episode trivia noteworthy). Look... The Simpsons works on the "status quo" system of episodic storytelling, in that you don't need to have seen any other show in order to watch a new show, because everything always returns to the status quo at the end of every episode. With that in mind, for this article, we need to describe the status quo! Because that's what his character IS. All that episode trivia just shows examples of the underlying character, which does not change. And the underlying character is all that needs to be described.
As far as 32 kB of space goes, that's a guideline. If any of the information that was put in could be considered notable, but caused the article to be too big, we don't simply cut it out, labeling it fancruft simply because we don't have space... wikipedia is not a print encyclopedia! We have unlimited space! The article size limit is only for ease of reading... what we do instead, is cut the information that makes the article too long, and paste it into a new article, and link to that article from the original one. Fieari 18:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
Duly noted! And I appreciate the insights, Fieari. As a relative newcomer to Wikipedia, it is nice to get a concise description of what an article should (or should not) contain without having to read through ALL of the "how to" pages (i.e. Wikipedia:Manual of Style, etc.). Don't get me wrong, the "how to" pages are great, but it's a little tedious reading through it all. Again, cheers! Matatigre36 04:43, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Vioce of Homer

It would seem like a good idea to have a picture of Dan Castellaneta the voice of Homer in this article. The picture on his article is a fair use publicity photo, i would image it would be fair use to use it hear as well. Also it might be nice to have a quote from him about his views on the carector he plays.--JK the unwise 08:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Powdered gravy? Surely not.

Homer did say that he shouldn't have eaten that pack of powdered gravy he found in the parking lot, but he is unreliable. After all, he was hallucinating.

I believe this is a reference to him finding a packet of white powder in the parking lot, which he assumed was gravy and so he ate it. No doubt it was narcotics, which explains the hallucinations.

The scene is much funnier that way.

Someone needs to step away from the TV. --JOK3R 20:59, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Contact address

His e-mail id was given in the episode where he appoints a Pvt detective to know what his daughter likes, id was chunkylover53@aol.com! and in another episode he asks viewers to call him at KL5 3226 to buy his plough!

--59.92.161.191 11:20, 21 April 2006 (UTC) Deepak, Bangalore, India.

The KL5 is actually a clever way of diguising the fact that it is 5-5-5 number; TV producers often use 555 numbers since no real phone number uses it. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 17:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

GA nomination

The Good Article nomination for Homer Simpson failed for the following reasons:

  • One section is a stub.
  • It links to a full list of injuries on a Talk page. If this information is worthwhile to be held on Wikipedia as encyclopedic information, it should be on the main article space page.
  • The notability of the quotations chosen seems arbitrary.
  • The article doesn't discuss more "real world" elements, such as (possible examples off the top of my head) the intrusion of Homer Simpson's phrases into popular culture generally (beyond "D'oh!"), or the development of the character by Groening.
  • The absence of fair use rationales for the images used.

You can read the full criteria at Wikipedia:What is a good article. I look forward to seeing this article put forward again in future. —Whouk (talk) 19:50, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Wikiproject: Simpsons

OK... Anyone interested in helping cleanup the Simpsons information, join the WikiProject... if we can all work together, instead of different editors working on different pages, we can get all the Simpsons information on all of Wikipedia organized... - Adolphus79 05:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Archiving

Talk page is HUGE --JOK3R 16:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Age 29?

I reverted a change to Homer's age range with the edit summary that he got Marge pregnant in HS (and therefore could be 29). He DIDN'T pregnant in HS, IIRC they graduated in 76 or 78, and she got pregnant during the run of The Empire Strikes Back, which came out in 1980.--Anchoress 17:12, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Fictional topic

I've tagged the article for fictional cleanup. Here's a quick analysis of how this article needs to be fixed. Unfortunately, I can't do it myself, because I know very little about the Simpsons and don't actually know where to get the information, but here's what is needed:

  • The first section of the article should not discuss ANYTHING from an in-universe perspective at all. Instead, it should briefly describe the context for the character, including a brief description of the show, Homer's creator, when he was created, etc. Some of this information can be borrowed from The Simpsons wiki page, but made more specific to Homer himself.
  • A description section, covering the evolution of the character design. Potential quotes from the artist would go well here. Notes on how his weight and hair have changed can go here, but NOT explanations such as: "Homer has been bald since the early 1980s, mostly due to the stress of Marge's pregnancies with Bart and Lisa, as well as other factors". That's an in-universe explanation. We need actual artist's motivations, possibly with a mention how it was explained in universe, but always clearly stating this.
  • Then should come a character section. This section needs to be cleaned up to discuss Homer's personality from a real-world perspective. Instead of leading off with "He was raised solely by his father after the approximate age of six", state how Homer's personality was originally designed to be, and how it has been modified and refined by the writers over the years of being on the air. Again, some of this information can probably be brought in from The Simpsons article. Some traits of Homer can be specified, and examples cited (as examples, not as "History of the character" like it is now).
  • Then a section describing issues the character Homer has been used to explore. Bits of information from "Mental Acuity", "Sexuality", and "Religion" can go here, but reformatted and rewritten to show that we aren't describing a real person, we're instead seeing how a real person is using a fictional character to explore real issues. Think like an English Major here.
  • Then we need sections on other appearances, like we have, preferably expanded. A more detailed examination on the word "D'oh!" should also be added, esspecially since it is discussed in the lead.

I hope this helps. Again, I don't have all the information needed, but this is what needs to be done. Fieari 20:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

every state response and suggestion

  • First, in regards to the "every state" entry: in the episode Behind the Laughter it explicitly states "the future looks brighter than ever for this northern Kentucky family." I don't have enough information to complete all the links, but Homer and Marge went to Springfield highschool, which has been said in several episodes. In E-I-E-I-(Annoyed Grunt) the family visits the house Homer grew up in, but it doesn't show for certain it's near Springfield. Other episodes (I'm not sure which ones, but I remember it happening) Homer has been shown at the house with his dad, but I don't remember anything being said about it being in Springfield. If someone could link these together, it would prove they live in and have always lived in "Northern Kentucky."
  • Second, I think a list of things people have called Homer would be a good addition. I've seen there's been a lot of discussion about cleaning this article up, but I know there have been a lot of things people have called him that would make an addition like that funny.JW 03:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
See Springfield (The Simpsons)#Where is Springfield?. BabuBhatt 03:14, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

groups, clubs or associations that Homer has belonged to

I know there was the stonecutters but what about the others? Any list of those anywhere?

Kel Simmins

I've never heard of this character, I've never heard Groening or anyone else say Homer was based on him, and the linked article about the author of this "famous" book (which has no article) is being considered for deletion. Yet it's mentioned in the first sentence of the article. I'm taking it out, and please don't put it back until you have a source.

Vegas' Wives

It is known that Home Simpsons married a woman in Las Vegas. I would've added information about her, but I am not sure of the event (what REALLY happened in Las Vegas with Homer). However, I did see an episode where this so called "wife" came to Homer's house and was then kicked out by Marge. Could someone please add any information about this to Homer's article?--Misantropo 21:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Middle Name

It reveals in D'oh-in In the Wind, that Homer's middle name is Jay. J.T. 20:15, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Born 1956

In the episode "Duffless", Homer's driver's license says his DOB is 05-12-56. --Chochopk 13:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Republican?

Matt Groening claims that Homer is a Democrat, and he is the creator of the show and the character. He strikes me as the most reliable source of Homer's partisanship. I am moving Homer to the "Fictional Democrats" category.

Homer has beaten up Bush I and Bush II, as mentioned in a recent episode. That might make him a fiscal conservative, though. Or maybe just a way who likes to beat up celebrities. Robert Happelberg 21:41, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Image

It is missing. (the first one C-homer.png) --Ysangkok 19:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

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