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Henry Ford did not actually Publish the Protocols in his newspaper, he just wrote articles about them where he quoted from them and summarized them

This article states, "The newspaper published The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which was discredited by The Times of London as a forgery during the Independent's publishing run. The American Jewish Historical Society described the ideas presented in the magazine as "anti-immigrant, anti-labor, anti-liquor, and antisemitic." In February 1921, the New York World published an interview with Ford, in which he said: "The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on." During this period, Ford emerged as "a respected spokesman for right-wing extremism and religious prejudice," reaching around 700,000 readers through his newspaper." The source given for the statement is Glock, Charles Y. and Quinley, Harold E. (1983). Anti-Semitism in America. Transaction Publishers. ISBN 0-87855-940-X, p. 168. I looked up that book on google books and went to page 168. This is what it says about Ford: "The 1920s were also marked by the emergence of Henry Ford as a respected spokesman for right-wing extremism and religious prejudice. Through his violently anti-Jewish newspaper, the Dearborn Independent Ford reached upwards of 700,000 American readers. In it, Ford hammered away at the theme of an international Jewish conspiracy. The scope of his attacks is illustrated by some of the headlines in his newspaper: 'Jewish Gamblers Corrupt American Baseball' 'Jewish jazz becomes our national music' 'How the Jewish Song Trust Makes you Sing' 'Jew Wires direct Tammany's Gentile puppets' 'The scope of Jewish dictatorship in America' 'the Jewish Associates of Benedict Arnold' In short, Jews were blamed for everything from communism to jazz, immorality and short skirts. Such attacks not only were popular with many Americans but they also projected Ford into the political limelight: at the height of his Anti-Judaism he was widely supported as a presidential candidate. Such activities dramatized the entry of full scale Anti-Judaism into the American political arena. Jews were eminently vulnerable for this role since conspiracy theories could be spun from their visibility in both radical and capitalist circles. They were also central figures in conspiracy theories spawned for political purposes in Germany and Russia." Glock and Quinley Anti-Semitism in America Transaction Publishers page 168 [1] The citation given does not support the claim that Ford published the Protocols. Kevin MacDonald has stated Ford did not publish them. He wrote "The problem with this is that The International Jew is far more than a serialization of the Protocols. Indeed, it is not a serialization of the Protocols at all. Rather, it is a series of journalistic articles (of uneven quality) on Jewish issues written by two of Ford’s employees, Ernest Liebold and Billy Cameron. Liebold was a college-educated bank president before he became Ford’s personal secretary and alter-ego. Cameron was a journalist who subscribed to an early version of the Christian identity movement that believed the Anglo-Saxons were descended from one of the lost tribes of Israel."[2] Ford did write ABOUT the Protocols in The International Jew, indeed, there are several chapters he wrote in the book summarizing them and quoting from them, but that's not the same thing as directly publishing the Protocols. So the statement should be changed to "Ford wrote about the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the newspaper" instead of "The newspaper published The Protocols of the Elders of Zion".RandomScholar30 (talk) 08:02, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

I removed this unsourced Ford statement

I removed this unsourced Ford statement [begin quote] In February 1921, the New York World published an interview with Ford, in which he said: "The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on." [end quote] RandomScholar30 (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2016 (UTC)


I did find a possibly reliable source for the quote. Nick Toczek wrote in Haters, Baiters, and Would be Dictators: Anti-Judaism and the UK Far Right on page 183 %5B%5BNew%20York%20World%5D%5D%20published%20an%20interview%20with%20Ford%2C%20in%20which%20he%20said%3A%20%22The%20only%20statement%20I%20care%20to%20make%20about%20the%20Protocols%20is%20that%20they%20fit%20in%20with%20what%20is%20going%20on.%22&f=false, "In an interview published in the 17 February 1921 edition of the New York World Henry Ford said 'The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on.'" That author probably got that quote from GF Green's introduction to his shortened version of Ford's The International Jew where Green wrote "IN an interview published in the New York World February 17, 1921, Mr. Henry Ford put the case for the "Protocols of Zion" tersely and convincingly. He said: "The only statement I care to make about the Protocols is that they fit in with what is going on. " [3] Unfortunately the preview of Toczek on google books does not seem to allow the reader to look at the bibliography so I cannot know if he used Green as his source for the Ford statement or a more reliable source. I also don't know who Toczek is so I'm not sure if he's a mainstream source. RandomScholar30 (talk) 08:58, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2016

Either remove this statement, "In a letter written in 1924, Heinrich Himmler described Ford as "one of our most valuable, important, and witty fighters."" or find a better source for it than the current one. The reason is because the source is an obscure German language publication that would be difficult to obtain for readers. I'm not convinced Himmler actually said this. I think there needs to be better evidence to justify including the quote in the article. We already know Baldur von Schirach, another Nazi leader, praised Ford as an influence on Nazi Anti-Judaism, and we have reliable evidence of Schirach's statement. I don't think Ford was a huge influence on Nazi Anti-Judaism, and to the extent that he was an influence on it I think the Schirach quote works fine as a substitute for the Himmler one and has better evidence, so I would suggest possibly removing the Himmler quote. RandomScholar30 (talk) 02:26, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 03:28, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
Since RandomScholar30 wrote the above, he found Allen, Michael Thad (2002). The Business of Genocide: The SS, Slave Labor, and the Concentration Camps. Chapel Hill: University of North Carolina Press. pp. 14, 290. ISBN 0-8078-2677-4.. Both Pfal-Traughber and Allen reference for that quote Ackermann. Heinrich Himmler als Ideologe. p. 37. Someone could further check Ackermann if there were serious questions about the scholarship of Ackermann, Pfal-Traughber and Allen. However, in my mind, there are enough other bits of evidence to establish the claims in this article that the overall image would not change substantively if this one quote were wrong -- it seems unlikely that many others would similarly be fabrications. DavidMCEddy (talk) 02:19, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Ford mentioned in the First Edition of Mein Kampf?

I can't find it now, but I remember someone writing that Henry Ford was mentioned in the First Edition of Mein Kampf but not in subsequent editions. I wonder which editions have been checked? The first edition appeared in two volumes, with volume 1 appearing in 1925 and volume 2 in 1926.

Ford lost a libel lawsuit in 1927. During the course of that suit Ford denied having written The International Jew and claimed to be shocked by its content, even though it appeared with his name as the author. I don't have the means to easily check now when an edition of Mein Kampf appeared without Ford's name, but one might guess that it might have been after Ford denied having written The International Jew. If someone could check this point, it might be interesting to know.

It might also be interesting for someone to review Weber, Thomas (2016). Wie Hitler zum Nazi wurde. pp. 368ff. Pfal-Traughber indicated it was relevant to this discussion. Unfortunately, I don't think I'm likely to find the time for this. DavidMCEddy (talk) 02:49, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2016

NOR...

Je neither invented the automobile NOR the Assembly line. You have written "or," and you should know better.

104.129.196.76 (talk) 17:37, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

The section "The Dearborn Independent and antisemitism" claims that "In Germany, Ford's antisemitic articles from The Dearborn Independent were issued in four volumes, cumulatively titled The International Jew, the World's Foremost Problem published by Theodor Fritsch, founder of several antisemitic parties and a member of the Reichstag." This deceptively implies that the articles were originally published by Fritsch. From Fritsch's Wikipedia page, however, it seems that he merely translated the articles into German, and published that translation, intending for circulation in Germany. The language of the section in the wikipedia article should be updated to more clearly reflect this.

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Research on Henry Ford

The first source talks about ford and his vision regarding African American employment. It talks about how discrimination was widespread during the early teens and twenties of the 1900's. It starts to talk about how Henry Ford was the first automaker to start a hiring program for blacks. it cites sources that have claimed that he was on of the greatest humanitarians to the African Americans in a time of great struggle. blacks left the farmland in the south because of henry fords five dollars a day wage. this in turn led to his company becoming the leading employer of blacks between 1916 and 1920.(Krebs, 2003)

the second source has to do with a book regarding Henry Fords involvement with slave labor in Nazi Germany as well as using its european factories to produce nazi machinery. while its beeen stated that he had anti semitic feelings, this article about a book, puts forth that ford fell under the influence of nazi propaganda. put forth is the evidence that henry fords son edsel would have been tried for trading with the enemy if he hadnt unexpectedly passed away in the year 1943. this is supposedly proven by letters between edsel and fords french division that have recently been declassified.adding to the case was the refusal to make engines for the RAF, while still claiming nuetrality.(English, 2003)

the third article regards henry fords love of flight. he was in contact with the wright brothers right after the flight of the kitty hawk. in 1909 he finished a monoplane project that used a model T engine. airplanes at this point were ancient and technologically outdated. when the first ford trimotor was built, it became the standard for airplanes right away.he also built up the publics confidence in airplane travel. although he left the market because of the depression, he jummp started the aviation industry.

The claim that The Ford Works employed POW as "slave labor" and violated the Geneva convention in that way is preposterous, false and slanderous for a number of reason. Compulsory work isn't slave labor. Slavery has a specific meaning where one human being assumes ownership of another one. Article 31 doesn't deal with work by prisoners of war. And actually POW's can be compelled to work; just read the Geneva Convention, before making slanderous claims. 154.69.0.170 (talk) 18:12, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

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External inks

Thirteen "External links" is just too many, especially when some of them can be incorporated into the article as reliable sources, or in a "Works" section. Otr500 (talk) 23:57, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Wording issue

The second sentence in the third paragraph of the "International business" section includes, "The technical assistance agreement between the Ford Motor Company, VSNKh, and Amtorg (as purchasing agent) was concluded for nine years...", and "was concluded for nine years" does not make sense. Maybe it should read "in nine years" or "after nine years"? I would appreciate it if someone would look at this. Otr500 (talk) 22:58, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

 Done - but for the future, this is something you could have done yourself. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:31, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, and yes I could have but was doing something else. If someone wasn't watching the page I would have went back to it, and looked at any reference(s), so it was a request and a note. Otr500 (talk) 03:35, 6 October 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 28 January 2018

I would like to change "Model T's" between cite not 14-15 to "Model Ts" due to a grammatical error. Avalanche Gam3r (talk) 20:36, 28 January 2018 (UTC)

 Done Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 03:34, 29 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2018

(www.eaa.org) EAA’s Ford Tri-Motor returned to the U.S. in 1949 for barnstorming use. In 1950, it was moved from Miami to Phoenix and was refitted with more powerful engines for use as a crop duster. With two 450-hp engines and one 550-hp engine, it became the most powerful Model 4-AT-E ever flown. In 1955, it was moved to Idaho and fitted with two 275-gallon tanks and bomb doors for use as a borate bomber in aerial firefighting. Then in 1958, it was further modified for use by smoke jumpers. The Vegetal NoSteank (talk) 20:08, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Spintendo      21:06, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2018

In his book "the Secret Life of Henry Ford" John Cote Dahlinger alleges and the family never denied that he was Ford's child. Ford paid Mrs. Dahlinger over the course of John's life. There is ample proof and he should not be excluded. Henry Ford had two sons. Edsel and John Dahlinger and that is that. FULL STOP. 2605:6000:151E:8247:C54D:3223:922F:852E (talk) 01:16, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

 Not done The book was published in 1978. If the claims made are accurate, there should be citations from reliable sources verifying them. You must provide those before this can be added to the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 01:42, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Lead summary of Ford's Anti-Judaism

In the lead an editor recently added this summary of Ford's Anti-Jewish campaign "Ford said he neither wrote nor read the text,[1] and as a result of the controversy surrounding its publication and its influence on Germans, Ford apologized for its publication a month after America entered WWII: "My sincere hope that now in this country and throughout the world when the war is finished, hatred of the Jews and hatred against any other racial or religious groups shall cease for all time."[2] At the war's end, when Ford saw newsreel footage of Nazi concentration camps and other evidence of the Holocaust, he collapsed with a stroke." I criticized the Anti-Judaism section for being to biased against Ford and exaggerating how influential Ford was on Nazi Anti-Judaism, but the editor who wrote the recent summary in the lead seems to have the opposite bias and seems to whitewash Ford's Anti-Judaism. Ford's apology to the Anti-Defamation League and other Jewish groups was really just an act of appeasement, as Kevin MacDonald said "Ford eventually responded to Jewish pressure, abandoned The International Jew, and signed an apology for his actions. The reasons for this remain mysterious. But he never changed his mind about Jews: In 1938, Ford received the Grand Cross of the German Eagle [from the Hitler regime] despite a wave of protest from the Jewish press." [4] I believe Ford also had conversations with Charles Lindberg that have been recorded as late as 1939-1940 where they discussed their shared Anti-Jewish views. I think his accepting the award from Hitler and his association with Lindberg should be in the lead if the apology is also, because just including the apology by itself gives a misleading impression Ford stopped being Anti-Jewish, which is not true. RandomScholar30 (talk) 00:18, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

The problem with the added award detail is that it's placement is misleading and is a form of synthesis. Ford was one of the world's leading industrialists, the founder of the Ford Motor Company, and the sponsor of the development of the assembly line technique of mass production. The placement of the award fact between details about Jews, wrongly implies that he received the award for supporting Nazi anti-Jewish policies. That's the result of the synthesis. In addition, if the award fact is place elsewhere, it would need some context. Otherwise it would read as a strange off-topic factoid. --Light show (talk) 02:23, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you now that I thought about it. The award probably doesn't belong in the article because the inference that it was connected to Ford's Anti-Judaism, although I think it is correct, would be a form of synthesis, so it would not be appropriate for wikipedia. RandomScholar30 (talk) 02:35, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Also, at some point this article should be changed to make clear who wrote Ford's newspapers articles about Jews that later became The International Jew. They were not written by Ford himself, but by Ernest Liebold and Billy Cameron, employees of Ford, they were his ghostwriters. Kevin MacDonald states that here, [5] but MacDonald is fringe so he cannot be used as a source, but I'm pretty sure he is correct because that's what I remember reading in a biography of Ford I read part of. So we should look for a more mainstream source to support that statement and then put it in the article. RandomScholar30 (talk) 02:53, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
However, if we could find a secondary source that connected Ford's receiving Hitler's award with Ford's Anti-Judaism, I don't think connecting the two would be synthesis then. I'm sure secondary sources have made that inference and if they have and they are mainstream, neutral sources that inference should be quoted in the article, otherwise it looks to readers like we're leaving stuff out or are apologetic. RandomScholar30 (talk) 04:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
Adding context to the award really should have facts, not just another person's inference or speculation. --Light show (talk) 04:23, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Baldwin, N. (2001). Henry Ford and the Jews. New York: Public Affairs.
  2. ^ Cite error: The named reference Arnstein was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

Henry Ford upon receiving the "Grand Cross of the German Eagle" on his 75th birthday. 11 years after his initial 1927 "apology." "It is my opinion that the German people as a whole are not in sympathy with their rulers in their anti-Jewish policies, which is the work of a few war makers at the top." "My acceptance of a medal from the German people does not, as some people seem to think, involve any sympathy on my part with Nazism. Those who have known me for many years realize that anything that breeds hate is repulsive to me." - Henry Ford (Chicago Daily Tribune, December 1, 1938): http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1938/12/01/page/2/article/let-persecuted-jews-into-u-s-ford-advocates — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.155.142.198 (talk) 11:35, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for posting the above quotation. It is SO SO tiresome to have to continue reading the lies about Henry Ford. He was not an "anti-Semtite" - whatever that actually means. He wanted fair play for all and he gave good counsel to business leaders in his time, and for decades to come. It is disheartening to see how often and how virulently he is attacked, even now. He was a great man and a visionary, but even he had no idea about what would take place 10-20 years in the future. Neither did he have any control over who read and misinterpreted his literary works. It would be like blaming Orwell for our current state of affairs. Unfair and untrue. So thanks again for posting the truth. 98.194.39.86 (talk) 14:56, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 July 2017

Source 35 is rather questionable. Wallace, Max. (2003). The American axis: Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, and the rise of the Third Reich. New York: St. Martin’s Press.

Yet this book holds near the top for most referenced work. That requires review.

35 is not a biography or historical work, Max Wallace is not a historian. I question why a book called "American Axis" is the leading source when its very title suggests that it is either motivated or biased to a high degree.

No doubt Ford was an anti-semite, but any true historian will judge according to time an place. 70.121.117.122 (talk) 04:27, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Anarchyte (work | talk) 10:07, 12 July 2017 (UTC)
There is almost 100% "doubt" that Henry Ford was an anti-semite. I hope that his family and/or estate sues you for libel. You simply cannot publish statements like that without evidence, and we have Henry Ford's own words to prove otherwise. He did not "hate" jews. Ever. That is simply not true and you people should stop posting these lies. 98.194.39.86 (talk) 15:00, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 31 May 2018

Please add links to other international Ford Companies (for example Ford of Argentina). FakeRealAlbert (talk) 10:03, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

 Not done Wikilinks to international Ford divisions are already included in the "Ford Motor Company" template at the bottom of the page, which I think would fulfill your request. If there's a section in the article that could benefit from a link, please suggest a more specific change. Andrew Jameson (talk) 10:47, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2018

Under the "Honors and Recognition" section please add the following: In 1975, Ford was posthumously inducted into the Junior Achievement U.S. Business Hall of Fame. 2001:18E8:3:10AC:F000:0:0:2FE (talk) 20:57, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —KuyaBriBriTalk 21:43, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

Resource: Junior Achievement: A History by Joe Francomano, Wayne Lavitt, and Darryl Lavitt. Published by Junior Achievement, Inc. in 1988, page 89. Link: Junior Achievement: A History Citation: [1]

References

  1. ^ Francomano, Joe, Wayne Lavitt, and Darryl Lavitt. Junior Achievement: A History. (Junior Achievement, Inc.: 1988), 89.
 Done Thank you for your help in improving the encyclopedia 2001....! Dolotta (talk) 06:40, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

The so called 33 Degree...

I'd like to point out that Freemasonry has only 3 degrees, not 33. The 33° that Ford is stated to have recieved is part of the Scottish Rite, which is an organization that only admits Freemasons, and tries to expand upon Freemasonry, but is still an independent group of organizations. The degrees in the Scottish rite are not considered Masonic degrees. I think this should be clarified. Pepe Oats (talk) 18:25, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Equivalent wage figures are OR

The various equivalent wage figures seem original research to me. The figure in the second paragraph of the The five-dollar wage section, seem different to me, or at least I obtained a significantly different figure; to verify it I tried to use the official inflation calculator of the Bureau of Labor Statistics. It would be good if the numbers in the section could be tied directly to those calculation, or if at least we qualified the source.--Gciriani (talk) 12:22, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

"...anything that breeds hate is repulsive to me." - Henry Ford

Henry Ford upon receiving the "Grand Cross of the German Eagle" on his 75th birthday. 11 years after his initial 1927 "apology."

"It is my opinion that the German people as a whole are not in sympathy with their rulers in their anti-Jewish policies, which is the work of a few war makers at the top...My acceptance of a medal from the German people does not, as some people seem to think, involve any sympathy on my part with Nazism. Those who have known me for many years realize that anything that breeds hate is repulsive to me." - Henry Ford (Chicago Daily Tribune, December 1, 1938):

http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1938/12/01/page/2/article/let-persecuted-jews-into-u-s-ford-advocates 86.160.2.252 (talk) 15:53, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NiciVampireHeart 15:32, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Ford family tree

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The result of this discussion was Not merged. Wow (talk) 19:33, 7 July 2019 (UTC)

"Ford family tree" does not include enough content that would warrant its own article, especially with the lack of the family tree itself. ««« SOME GADGET GEEK »»» (talk) 17:34, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Looks like someone blanked the family tree a few weeks ago. I have reverted on the family tree article. Andrew Jameson (talk) 19:16, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
'Oppose Merger Will clutter up Henry Ford. WP:Not paper. This as a free standing article works better. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:03, 5 March 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2020

The following citation can be improved.

Please change citation 85 to:

Lacey, Robert (1986). Ford. pp. 218–219.; which in turn cites:

The current citation is more broad than it needs to be. Searching with it leads to little relevant results.

Please change citation 86 to:

"Leader in Production Founded Vast Empire in Motors in 1903. He had Retired in 1945. Began Company With Capital of $28,000 Invested by His Friends and Neighbors. Henry Ford Is Dead. Founder of Vast Automotive Empire and Leader in Mass Production". New York Times. Associated Press. April 4, 1947. Archived from the original on April 9, 2018. Retrieved January 1, 2020.

The citation was cumbersome to parse. It has more text than necessary. I don't think there is a need to add the quote. When it comes to citation for death, most readers don't care about the wording used. They just care that there is documentation of death. Plus, it is literally the first sentence of the article.

 Done Outriggr (talk) 05:09, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2020

Please add the following succession box to the bottom:

Party political offices
First Democratic nominee for U.S. Senator from Michigan
(Class 2)
1918 		Succeeded by

2601:241:301:4360:A41E:4859:E2D5:29E7 (talk) 01:20, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

 Done! GoingBatty (talk) 01:48, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 May 2020

Change:

His father, William Ford (1826–1905), was born in County Cork, Ireland, to a family that was originally from Somerset, England.<ref>"The history of Ford in Ireland Family Crest and Name History".

To:

His father, William Ford (1826–1905), was born in County Cork, Ireland. He is descended from settlers who emigrated from Somerset, England to Ireland sometime in the 1500s.<ref>"The history of Ford in Ireland"..


Two main reasons: 1) Currently as written it seems like the emigration from England to Ireland was recent before the birth, however it was around 300 years prior. 2) The link to support the Somerset connection no longer mentions it, replace it with the archive.org wayback machine link. Bodono (talk) 17:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

 Partly done: "who emigrated from Somerset, England in the 16th century". RandomCanadian (talk | contribs) 19:12, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2020

"please replace racism to race relations" Jjkuda22 (talk) 12:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

" Not done". "No reason for change given, and there's no obvious reason to do so." –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 13:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 May 2020

"please change racism to just antisemitism in the subtitle that talks about the Dearborn Independent. The antisemitism part makes sense, however, having racism under that category is unfair because Henry Ford hired more African American workers than anybody by far at the time and provided education to many African American families at the time." "https://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20030601/SUB/306010874/ford-was-first-company-to-hire-blacks-in-large-numbers" Jjkuda22 (talk) 05:42, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 09:10, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
I'm not sure how it figures into the concept of consensus, but the title of the section did not include the word "racism" until an edit was made a week ago. In addition, the following note is (and was, even before the recent edit) underneath the title: "THIS SECTION HEADING WAS DETERMINED, BY CONSENSUS, TO BE THE MOST NEUTRAL IN TONE. DO NOT CHANGE IT TO 'ANTISEMITISM', AS IT WILL BE REVERTED." So it seems to me the the edit request is a request to return to the title to the one previously established by consensus. I have not changed the article myself, because I'm uncertain if I understand what is required here, but I have reset the flag on the edit request so hopefully someone else can take a look. Andrew Jameson (talk) 12:04, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
@Andrew Jameson: Huh, you're right - apologies, I had seen the comment, but had missed the edit history there. Much like you, I'll leave this for someone who more closely follows the page to look at. Naypta ☺ | ✉ talk page | 12:45, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you. I'm just trying to help out. Antisemitism is fair to have as a subtitle but racism is not, especially when you look at what Henry Ford did for the African American community — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jjkuda22 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

 Done I've looked into the issue and I have found a lengthy discussion about the section's title (note there are many more of these discussions), the first diff to include the 'do not change' notice, and the first diff to change it to include antisemitism again, done in 2012. After that, changes to the heading are minor formatting (removing the hyphen, adding 'and', etc.). As far as I can see, these old discussions seemed to reach no consensus, and they weren't closed. Since the name The Dearborn Independent and antisemitism (or a very similar variation) has been in place since 2012, I think consensus is to have it that way. Finally, seeing the controversial nature of this section's name, I am going to change it back to how it was before this diff until consensus is reached on including 'racism' on the section name. I'm also going to remove the notice, which is more than ten years old and seems to no longer reflect consensus. Please, if somebody doesn't agree with my reasoning, feel free to revert and discuss it, as I do realize this is a bit of a WP:BOLD edit. GoodCrossing (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 August 2020

In the party political office succession box, please change the link around 1918 to 1918. 73.110.217.186 (talk) 16:47, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

 Done Seagull123 Φ 13:17, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Link to Gutenberg needs update

The autobiography of Ford is linked to gutenberg.net. It should be gutenberg.org. It would be nice to update the links to the autobiography to the right address. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/7213 Cheers 178.38.201.33 (talk) 15:54, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

Inventions

In 1896, Henry Ford invented the car named "Ford". This car was named after him and still exists today. He is famous for this invention and also for the invention of assembly lines. This was one of his more interesting inventions. How they worked is there is a line (like in the name) of a bunch of people and they all fix one product. It could be a car. They then move onto another part of the product and everyone does a piece. This made products much easier to assemble (this includes the "assembly" part of the word).  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.134.136.107 (talk) 00:36, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Ford did not invent the automobile. As for the assembly line it was standard practice before 1890 in American meat industry. He did adapt it to autos. Rjensen (talk) 00:56, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

hellozdryrdyytfyfthftujftjg — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.145.193.229 (talk) 16:00, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 February 2021

2601:807:8300:2810:688D:8E68:597:7A33 (talk) 19:33, 3 February 2021 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Volteer1 (talk) 20:32, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

"Ford was influential in the development of Nazism"

Ford was also widely known for his pacifism during the first years of World War I, and for promoting antisemitic content, including The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, through his newspaper The Dearborn Independent, and the book The International Jew. Ford was influential in the development of Nazism.

I have removed the sentence "Ford was influential in the development of Nazism" from this paragraph in the lead. It is unsourced, and does not appear anywhere else in the article; while there is ample sourcing to say that he promoted and distributed antisemitic materials (like publishing the Protocols of the Elders of Zion), there is nothing I see in the article saying he was "influential" in the development of Nazism. There is stuff saying that he distributed lots of antisemitic materials, there is lots of stuff saying he had a cozy relationship with the Nazis, there is nothing saying that he was "influential" in the creation of the ideology. Unless there can be found a WP:RS specifically saying this, it should not be re-added based on inference from other statements (as this constitutes WP:OR/WP:SYNTH). jp×g 04:48, 16 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 March 2021

The word “Episcopal” is misspelled; see below: 98.35.158.229 (talk) 05:18, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done — see Special:Diff/1013547084. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 06:10, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2021

Get engineering degree from university of Michigan. 110.26.38.2 (talk) 13:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Thank you for your interest! P.I. Ellsworth  ed. put'r there 15:39, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2021

Add citations to text ("Also, at Edsel's insistence, Ford launched Mercury in 1939 as a mid-range make to challenge Dodge and Buick, although Henry also displayed relatively little enthusiasm for it.[citation needed]"

Citations as follows: King, J. (2003, June 16). Lincoln Mercury: Stumbling stepchild. Automotive News, 77(6044), 132.

Mercury. (n.d.) https://performance.ford.com/enthusiasts/collector-vehicles/mercury/mercury/2014.html Kievalina (talk) 23:00, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 05:01, 1 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2021

"His ideas in this passage were vague, but they were idealistic."

Remove bias comment. 86.181.78.79 (talk) 18:11, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

 Done —Sirdog (talk) 19:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

American Conspiracy Theorist Category tag

This seems to be a tag that is used far too frequently. Yes, Ford did promote some conspiracy theories but to include the category we need it to be a defining characteristic, not a secondary one. WP:CATDEF says it must be a defining characteristic. "Defining" is defined here wp:Defining:

A central concept used in categorizing articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define[1] the subject as having—such as nationality or notable profession (in the case of people), type of location or region (in the case of places), etc. For example, in Caravaggio, an Italian artist of the Baroque movement, Italian, artist, and Baroque may all be considered to be defining characteristics of the subject Caravaggio.

That he was an industrial tycoon was a defining characteristic. The same with terms like auto industry founder etc. Conspiracy theorist is one that is used in some sources, certainly to the point where we should talk about the issues. However, nowhere in the article is Ford actually called a conspiracy theorist. That means we don't have sufficient content to say, in Wiki voice, that Ford was a conspiracy theorist. Absent that we should not include the tag as the tag effectively says we are saying it in Wiki voice. (courtesy ping @Margie - remasked:) Springee (talk) 03:52, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I understand. It wasn't his defining characteristic. I'm taking the category out.--Margie - remasked (talk) 15:06, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks! Springee (talk) 15:14, 19 August 2021 (UTC)
The definition fits Ford exactly: " A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having" --in recent decades all the major studies I have seen emphasize his lifelong addition to conspiracy theories esp re Jews. Furthermore his name on conspiracy books on Jews helped to publicize and legitimize his fears worldwide. see Michael Alexander, Review of "Henry Ford and the Jews: The Mass Production of Hate." Jewish Quarterly Review 94#4 (2004), pp. 716-718 https://www.jstor.org/stable/1455604 online which states: "He drew upon nearly every popular anti-Semitic source available at the time, from ancient religious antagonism to the latest scientific eugenic theory." Rjensen (talk) 16:17, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

I agree. But it seems there is just one person who keeps putting those words back in. Can't we get rid of this section entirely. And we need to delete the section on antisemitism. That also is untrue. 73.6.96.168 (talk) 10:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 October 2021

Under “Political Party” it claims Henry Ford was a Republican before 1918 and a democrat after 1918. This isn’t true. Whilst Ford did show support for Democrat Woodrow Wilson, in 1924 he outspokenly supported Republican candidate Calvin Coolidge. He even paid for adverts in newspapers to write messages of support for Coolidge - see “why I am for Calvin Coolidge” Lincoln Evening Journal, October 31st 1924 Imxandercruise (talk) 16:11, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Please clarify the changes you want made and mention the specific changes in a "Please change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Thanks, Heartmusic678 (talk) 12:47, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Please don't change anything. Ford supported both Republicans and Democrats. That is a fact, and it does not change with time. 73.6.96.168 (talk) 10:20, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2022

203.54.250.110 (talk) 00:25, 14 March 2022 (UTC)


Holden, formerly known as General Motors-Holden, was an Australian automobile marque owned by General Motors and as well a former automobile manufacturer, which manufactured cars in Australia before switching to importing cars under the Holden brand. It was headquartered in Port Melbourne.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:36, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Henry Ford cars

How many model cars did he make? CoolSoup99 (talk) 14:46, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

He made 20 in all. I want to make it clear, 20 model cars, not cars. As for cars in total, people expect he made more than 38,000 cars, trucks, and ambulances. Additionally, he made another 7,000 Ford tractors, two types of tanks, and 4,000 airplanes for the Allies during World War II. :) Username12009 (talk) 16:11, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Henry Ford DID go to College and High School.

It says that Henry Ford didn't ever go to high school or college. It also has no citation. Henry Ford did go to college and high school, so whoever wrote this is wrong. We need to change it. Username12009 (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

The assertion that he did not go to college is contradicted two paragraphs later, so I removed the statement. I believe it's true that he never went to high school, but (a) I can't verify this, and (b) it's hardly critical to the article. Andrew Jameson (talk) 23:33, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
he never attended high school. Years later he did take some bookkeeping classes at night, but he never "attended college" in the usual sense. See Nevins vol 1 p 90. He could not read beyond the 8th grade level but he was good at numbers. Rjensen (talk) 00:27, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Though he did go to college. Username12009 (talk) 09:44, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
Wait, sorry, nevermind, I misread. Username12009 (talk) 09:45, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Found the citation needed!!

In the 'Ford Motor Company' section, there was a missing citation. I looked and found it. "Model T's unique foot-operated planetary transmission and steering-column operated throttle-cum-accelerator had to learn a completely different set of skills to drive any other gasoline-powered automobile of the time." from: Http://r4logistics.com/vxwb5va/henry-ford-occupation

Hope this helps! Username12009 (talk) 09:43, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Argh, shoot, I meant in the Model T section, not the Ford Motor Company. Username12009 (talk) 09:47, 29 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2022

Several academic psychological sources suggest that Henry Ford had Aspergers/ASD. 

https://behavioral-innovations.com/blog/20-famous-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorder-asd/

https://books.google.ie/books?id=Vxiu-JET_sYC&pg=PA9&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjVqbi5pfr2AhVXh1wKHciABuEQ6AF6BAgKEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false

https://books.google.ie/books?id=6qGiBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA7&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx6qPTpfr2AhXAQUEAHVlLA8MQ6AF6BAgEEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false

https://books.google.ie/books?id=dn2wCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA7&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx6qPTpfr2AhXAQUEAHVlLA8MQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false 212.129.73.101 (talk) 11:26, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:59, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2022 (2)

Under ‘later career and death,’ add that;

“Several academic psychological sources suggest that Henry Ford had Aspergers/ASD.”

Sources:

https://behavioral-innovations.com/blog/20-famous-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorder-asd/ https://books.google.ie/books?id=Vxiu-JET_sYC&pg=PA9&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjVqbi5pfr2AhVXh1wKHciABuEQ6AF6BAgKEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false

https://books.google.ie/books?id=6qGiBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA7&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx6qPTpfr2AhXAQUEAHVlLA8MQ6AF6BAgEEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false

https://books.google.ie/books?id=dn2wCAAAQBAJ&pg=PA7&dq=henry+ford+autism&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjx6qPTpfr2AhXAQUEAHVlLA8MQ6AF6BAgCEAM#v=onepage&q=henry%20ford%20autism&f=false 212.129.77.50 (talk) 21:05, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It does not appear there is consensus for this addition. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:58, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 April 2022

Add under ‘Antisemitism and the Dearborn Independent’ that, in 1922, as a teetotaler, Ford claimed that “ The Jews are on the side of liquor and always have [been].” This was another one of his conspiracy theories. Source: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-anti-semites-who-pushed-prohibition-on-america

Under ‘personal interests,’ add that Henry Ford was “an outspoken teetotaler.” Source: https://books.google.ie/books?id=mcOcdrBWedEC&source=gbs_navlinks_s 212.129.77.50 (talk) 21:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. It does not appear that there is consensus to include this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 13:59, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2023

Change "began repairing and later constricting engines to "began repairing and later constructing engines" Psiedits (talk) 01:18, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

 Done RudolfRed (talk) 02:28, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Ford family

Article states he was born to a Belgian family but were did his father and grandfather not leave Cork, Ireland? 155.91.73.8 (talk) 14:48, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

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