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Jenna Coleman's appearance[edit]

Please do not make this page a proper article until it is certain Jenna Coleman is in the episode, either by use of sources or if 'Face the Raven' proves not to be her final episode.Theoosmond (talk) 14:36, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It has been confirmed that Clara will leave in "Face the Raven". 5.65.166.226 (talk) 22:18, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And it's sourced that she'll be in this episode, so ... Alex|The|Whovian 03:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should we remove Clara from the cast list now? I mean, she was killed off in 'Face The Raven'.Theoosmond(talk)(warn) 21:15, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Still sourced she's appearing, more likely than not as an echo or ghost. Alex|The|Whovian 21:18, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I'll ensure she is kept on the cast list, but can we be certain she will be the companion, or if her character would go under 'other'?Theoosmond(talk)(warn) 21:27, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think we should remove it as even Capaldi has stated it was the definite 'end of the line' ^[1]--Apache287 (talk) 00:16, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Take a look at the DoctorWhoTV source - a quote is given from the episode with Clara - you can't exactly change that. Alex|The|Whovian 01:52, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ http://metro.co.uk/2015/11/19/peter-capaldi-confirms-when-well-be-seeing-the-last-of-clara-oswald-5512994/

The President vs Rassilon[edit]

Rassilon is credited at "The President" at the end of the episode. This should probably be followed in the article. --Liam McM (Talk|Contribs) 21:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

How characters are credited and how they call themselves in the story are not related; the credits reflect the real-world situation, whle the plot deals with the finctional reality. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So which should be used in the article? Liam McM (Talk|Contribs) 23:01, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Clara's last episode?[edit]

The episode left it very possible for Clara to return in a future episode. The Metro article linked to above explicitly does not rule this out, saying "Despite his remarks Jenna recently said that she had left the door open for a possible return."

Perhaps we should change the line in the lead to refer to this as being the last episode with Clara as a permanent companion. Liam McM (Talk|Contribs) 21:49, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there is confirmation that she will return, this is indeed her last appearance. -- [[User:Edokter]] {{talk}} 22:57, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree. I like how it is currently worded: it is correct either way, so we don't have to guess at the future. Liam McM (Talk|Contribs) 22:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What an amazing episode and three-episode run. It, of course, leaves the possibility of Clara Oswald's character returning, and if her companion, the ageless immortal girl, is to return at some point Oswald too might very well be in the mix. In any case, some wiggle-room language should be added or changed to show that Clara Oswald's "last episode" may or may not be her last after all. In the Doctor Who universe Oswald is "presently" as alive and active as the Doctor himself, although I suppose she can't eat or drink having no heartbeat to circulate food (this lifestyle-change also effects her cardio workouts). Randy Kryn 4:50, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Continuity and Detail[edit]

Many strong editors for main article, so I'll just mention here some items for consideration by others for possible inclusion in this article.

The Doctor repeats and corrects details of Missy's comments from season premiere (The Magician's Apprentice) regarding "Cloister Wars", "stole the moon and the president's wife".

BTW (and, I do not know, thus my question), wondering if Romana is the President's daughter, and if there might be another continuity link to be made there?

Mention that they find Ashildr watching the stars die, with only 5 minutes left in the life of the Universe?

Possibly be more overt in stating that we now have two "ageless" humans, Clara and Ashildr, travelling together in their own stolen TARDIS?

Name, with wikilink included, the episode (The Impossible Astronaut) as source of the roadside Utah diner that the Chameleon circuit of the ageless ladies' TARDIS is locked in as?

The Doctor plays the "Bad Wolf" theme from the RTD era, as I've cited here. It's a reference to another lost companion, just like Clara, Amy and Rory, so it should be mentioned here.Ooznoz (talk) 16:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)Ooznoz[reply]

Mention, with wikilinks, that the TARDIS the doctor steals in this episode starts in "basic mode" (if that term applies) that matches the TARDISes seen in old footage of the First Doctor stealing his (now blue) TARDIS? Has this basic shiny metal cylinder TARDIS been seen in hands of other Time Lords? (Master? others?) Jmg38 (talk) 04:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was seen like that in "The Name of the Doctor", so that's a nice touch on Moffat's part. Also, is there an outside link to the Doctor saying "Clara who?" -- another dig at the fan base by the Moff?Ooznoz (talk) 16:08, 6 December 2015 (UTC)Ooznoz[reply]

Rewatching in anticipation of Series 10, and needing a place to muse. Someone stole the moon and the President's daughter. Are we talking about Rassilon, or was there a previous President? Further, are we to presume that it was the Doctor in that story? If so, is that the story of him also stealing the TARDIS, with Susan, his granddaughter? Or maybe he came back after stealing the TARDIS to get her. But is Susan is the President's daughter, the daughter of Rassilon, and Susan is the Doctor's granddaughter, then Rassilon is either the Doctor's son or son-in-law! Probably nothing we can utilize in that musing as of yet. We'll see what Series 10 brings us.... - UtherSRG (talk) 03:58, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@UtherSRG: Please be aware that the Wikipedia talk page is not a forum. Cheers. -- Alex^TW 10:12, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite aware. We may get later confirmation of this and so we may want then to add this to this section. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:00, 2 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

description of regeneration[edit]

Someone has written that the new time Lord is 'female', but not they they are 'black'.

Why is one deemed more important than the other? Surely mention either both or neither? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.92.222.62 (talk) 11:38, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Explain why it is necessary. Alex|The|Whovian 11:42, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

1968/2011[edit]

The article states that diner from The Impossible Astronaut was visited by the Eleventh Doctor in 1968. While the bulk of that story was set in the Sixties, I believe all the diner scenes took place in 2011. May need to confirm that so didn't want to make the edit myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.103.35 (talk) 09:24, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was definitely in the modern times, hence not 1968, but was it specifically 2011? Just because the episode aired in that year, doesn't mean the story was set in it as well. Alex|The|Whovian 09:30, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It was the day that the Doctor was shot on Lake Silencio (one of his many "fixed point" deaths), which was repeatedly stated as occurring in 2011 over the course of series six. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.232.103.35 (talk) 09:53, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Story numbering[edit]

Here on Wikipedia, we number Heaven Sent as story 261 and Hell Bent as 262. On the TARDIS Fandom site they are 261a and 261b. I cannot find a reference that indicates which is correct. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:50, 29 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttp://metro.co.uk/2015/11/19/peter-capaldi-confirms-when-well-be-seeing-the-last-of-clara-oswald-5512994/

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