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Could this page be turned into a general page for Justin's Music Mondays thing which covers all 10 of the singles he's going to release? It doesn't seem like they're individually notable songs.Fortytwo200 (talk) 20:43, 21 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Heartbreaker (Justin Bieber song)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Grk1011 (talk · contribs) 15:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! I will be reviewing this for you since you've reviewed so many of my noms in the past. I will have comments below within the next few days. Grk1011 (talk) 15:54, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead[edit]

Brandon Green, Tyler Williams, and Tony Scales are mentioned by their pen names in the article body, with their birth names only appearing in the infobox. On first mention (or somewhere in the article), write Brandon Green (Maejor Ali), etc. to avoid confusion.

Comment: are you sure about this since the real names are linked to the stage names? --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"for the album and the first in Bieber's series Music Mondays" -> "for the album and was the first song released as part of Bieber's Music Mondays series"
"while certain reviewers praised the musical style." -> "while other reviewers praised the musical style."

Done for the above --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"In February 2021, Bieber performed the song at a livestream concert for TikTok on Valentine's Day." <- I know you're trying to summarize live performances for the lead, but this sentence feels out of place the way it's tacked on the end here.

Comment: are you suggesting to move or that I remove the sentence from the lead? --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Background[edit]

"The producer recalled him and the other contributors" -> The producer recalled that him and the other contributors"

Done --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"normal radio standards" <- suggest not using this as a quote since you have so much quoted text in this paragraph. This isn't an important line.

Done reworded to mainstream standards instead --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Was the advertisement video or audio-only?
Introduce Music Mondays as a concept/promo instead of mentioning it casually. It was a promotional mechanism for the song as well.

Done for the above --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"and dubbed the performance as "pouring his heart out"" <- which performance is the author speaking of?

Done if the vocals works? --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Composition and lyrics[edit]

The second sentence sounds choppy. I think it's because you've split up pop and hip-hop for the refs. Reword.

Done --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Release and reception[edit]

The first part of this feels repetitive. Does it need to be part of the Background section as well?

Not done things being repeated is fine when it is for context; the first instance introduces Music Mondays in more detail and this is not mentioned as the first release of the series until release. --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was surprised by the West comment. I thought the similarity was just the artwork, mentioned in Background?

Looks like critics found more in common! --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Add a comma between "Timberlake" and" depending"
"She appreciated how" sentence reads a bit run-on

Done for the above --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Commercial performance[edit]

"On June 25, 2020, nearly seven years after its release, "Heartbreaker" was certified gold" <- This is a substantial time difference from the preceding sentences.
Open the second paragraph with something like "Outside of North America,"

Done --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Credits and personnel[edit]

Where does Tidal list the credits? Do you have to have an account/login?

An account is required --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Other credits such as artwork, mixing, etc?

I don't know since it was not me who added the actual credits and I don't have an account --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Release history[edit]

The ref doesn't list Island, streaming, or any indication of the regions it was released in.

Partly done I added an additional citation for streaming and the sources saying the song was released without a region means various, however do I really need to source the label when it is what Bieber is signed to? --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA checklist[edit]

Well written: yes, with some comments/clarifications above
Factually accurate and verifiable: yes, with some comments/clarifications above
Broad in coverage: yes
Neutral: yes
Stable: yes
Images: properly licensed and relevant

General discussion[edit]

On hold while the above comments are addressed or explained. Great job with this! Grk1011 (talk) 23:45, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Grk1011 I have addressed everything now, please tell me if you still have any issues! --K. Peake 10:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kyle Peake Thank you for making those changes! To clarify one of the comments: maybe something like this: "The first live performance of the song took place in February 2021, when Bieber performed it during a livestream concert for TikTok on Valentine's Day." But anyway, I'm happy to ✓ Pass now with the fixes you've already made. Grk1011 (talk) 19:26, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]