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Photos/Mother's name.[edit]

This article might be better served by having one of the current in-game photos of him replaced with a headshot.


Don't know where to write it, but you have one pretty rediculous error in this article - you wrote his mother name is Viška and I can't stop laughing about it. In the article you put his father says: "meni je žena viška" - it means his wife is from the island of Vis in the Adriatic Sea. Goran's mother's name is Gorana and he in fact was named after her. http://www.croportal.net/lifestyle/Goran_Ivanisevic_zlocesti_decko_tenisa_kojeg_svi_vole-1111349

A Serb[edit]

Why here is not mention that he is a Serb. His father is Serb, Srdjan Ivanisevic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.93.184.194 (talk) 13:59, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

as first, why should they? as second ivanisevic is one the old famous split's surnames. he is craot, catholic. his sacrament name is šimun. his grandfather had that name 

Not true , Srdjan Ivanišević is a Serbian  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.100.170.70 (talk) 16:23, 29 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Yugoslavia"[edit]

Some people like to put "Yugoslavia" as country of birth, but Yugoslavia doesn't exist anymore, and it's not important to put up there. In modern times, people put their country of birth as the country which exists today and when they were born. Croatia still existed under Yugoslavia as an autonomous state, so I can't see why Yugoslavia must be listed under countries of birth. This is not similar to situations hundreds of years ago, where certain countries didn't really exist or had proper borders and you would have something like (born under the Ottoman empire, today's Bosnia and Herzegovina). We are talking about times when the country existed in the regime occupying it, and is still the same borders today. If you asked any people where they were born today, they would say "Croatia" or "Bosnia and Herzegovina," etc. My parents were both born under the Yugoslav regime, so their papers said, born ******, Croatia(sometimes), Yugoslavia. But after Croatia's independence, they got new papers from the government saying place of birth, ******, Croatia. I doubt people really care nowadays care whether someone was born during the time of Yugoslavia when they had to put that down as country of birth. I never saw this new Yugo thing before on Wiki ever, and believe some people have a personal adenda that they feel the need to put "yugoslavia" everywhere. If not, please explain your reasoning kindly. Thank you.

Well, not that it's a big deal, but as a point of fact you are wrong. In terms of documenting historical accounts or constructing one's biography you would not insert the political entity of today, you would list the name of the nation that existed at the time of the individual's birth. When discussing the poet Rilke, for example, you would say that he was born in Prague, Bohemia. You would not say Czech Republic because the Czech Republic didn't exist when he was born. Same thing goes for anyone whether we are talking about someone from a long time ago or someone from recent times. Your way makes no sense. What you would refer to as the place of your birth or how your family would define themselves makes no difference, this is an encyclopedia entry and when he was born, the nation he was born in was Yugoslavia. It doesn't matter at all what it is called now. He was born in Yugoslavia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdlund (talk • contribs) 02:18, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trivia section contains a mention of a photo with Bobo Borg - who/what in the world is that?

Official Website[edit]

It seems Goran's Official website no longer exists, so I propose the link be removed and possibly removed with unofficial sites which try to provide information about him as a player.

Nationalism[edit]

It should be mentioned in this article, that he is an extreme croatian nationalist.

Goran Ivanisevic wasn't a nationalist in the early 1990's. There was an interview with him in 1990 in a famous ex-yugo magazine (NADA) from that time, where he supported united Yugoslavia. He also said that he won't vote (on that year's ellections) for the nationalist party (HDZ), because he doesn't like how they 'think only of Croatia'. It's strange how he later turned into a nationalist. At least he could remain neutral, because nationalist's time in Croatia is running out fast..Cheers!—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.86.124.155 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 13 June 2007

What do you think, child? The police was still beating Croats for too much accentuating of Croathood in that year.
What do you think, that you could in former Yugoslavia say loudly: "I'd like that Yugoslavia goes to hell" or "I'd like to live in independent Croatia." and get away with it just like that?
No, child. Saying that, would result in prompt imprisonement with police torture. Your life and carrier was sealed - stigmated. Deaths weren't rare.
Or, if you were "lighter case", e.g., for a sportsman, that'd mean that that sportsman won't get any invitations to play for national team and permanent ignoration.
"...strange how he later turned into a nationalist".
What do you mean by "nationalist"? A nationally conscious person that openly defends his country and people? Do you have anything against such person?
What "happened", that Ivanišević "changed his attitude"? Croatia became independent nation, Goran could say finally what he wanted to say.
Listen, you anonimous user. You live in a fake world. You can't expect from any Croat to "remain neutral", calm and indifferent, while greaterserbianist forces started an aggression on Croatia.
"Nationalist's time in Croatia is running out fast...".
What do you mean by "nationalist", I ask you again? If you mean that Croats are forgetting to be nationally conscious, you're wrong, child! Wikipedia is not a place to write your "wishie-wishes". Kubura

Yes, wikipedia is also NOT A PLACE TO WRITE LIES, like you do! And what I write is not 'wishie-wishes', but the truth! That's INSANE what you're writing about anyone being 'charged' for saying that he doesn't like Yugoslavia. Yugoslavia was a democratic country, especially in 1990, when it opened to the world and introduced the palamentarian democracy. Moreover, the nationalists that year were the most loud ever, and everyone could say what he liked or disliked. The fact is that most of the normal people liked Yugoslavia and its premier Ante Markovic, who was the most popular politician, especially in Dalmatia! If there were someone, who didn't like Yugoslavia in Dalmatia, those were a few filthy croatian nationalists (very much like you and your collegues-editors of croatian wikipedia)), who were isolated deeply in their world. You're still isolated and live in a fake world, since more and more Croats are recognizing the fact that Yugoslavia, Tito and Partizans are the ones who first created Croatia in its today's borders, and every coming year more and more of them respect that fact. As for the fact that the time of the nationalists in Croatia is running out, you can only see the latest polls on popularity ratings in almost every newspaper in Croatia-where the most popular person is the new SDP leader-Zoran Milanovic. Yes, it might be killing you, but Zoran, the guy who puts Tito before Tudjman, who has Partizans in the family but not Ustashas, and who is open minded and will establish all the broken connections with the former yugoslavian states again, HE IS THE MOST POPULAR LEADER BETWEEN CROATIANS NOW! Together with majority of Croatians, I wish him victory on the coming ellections and him to be a good leader of Croatia in the years to come. Long Live Zoran Milanovic and the growing supporting basis of yours! Cheers!


  • Yugoslavia was a democratic country

From which joke you have heard that? LOL P.S. Milanović lost elections !! -piece of nothing!

  • *in Dalmatia, those were a few filthy croatian nationalists (very much like you and your collegues-editors of croatian wikipedia))

this example of personal attack illustrates very well how red boys are/were "civilized".

BTW, precisely Dalmatia is the most nationalistic par of Croatia.


--Anto (talk) 13:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of pro soccer player line in intro[edit]

I removed the description in the introduction of Goran as a "pro football and soccer player." The pages I found online indicated that, because of his famous status in Croatia, he played a few minutes for his hometown team as the fulfillment of a fantasy. I've added links to the section on soccer, but here are some more:

Article in the Guardian saying he will play

BBC article with roughly same info

MrVibrating 00:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Other wild card winners?[edit]

I'm just curious about something. The second line of the opening credits him as being the only wild card to win 'at Wimbledon.' Have there been wild card players who have won other grand slams? I was just wondering why the sentence is qualified like this because I have never seen or known of anyone else to win any grand slam while being entered as a wild card. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jdlund (talk • contribs) 02:07, 29 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion concerning this article[edit]

A discussion that may affect the name or title of this article is ongoing here. Please voice any opinions or concerns on that page. After the discussion concludes, this article may be moved to a different title, in accordance with Wikipedia's Naming Conventions. Thank you. Tennis expert (talk) 18:55, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was No consensus' for move. Parsecboy (talk) 00:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The name of this article should be changed to "Goran Ivanisevic" because that is the name used on the English-language websites of the official governing bodies of tennis, the Association of Tennis Professionals and the International Tennis Federation. That also is the name used on the English-language website of Wimbledon, the only Grand Slam singles title he won during his career. Tennis expert (talk) 02:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For a general discussion of how to name tennis biographies on English Wikipedia, see this. Tennis expert (talk) 05:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]


  • Oppose. Goran Ivanišević is his name. That is fact! "Goran Ivanisevic" has no any legal validity.As far as I know usage of diacritics is allowed. --Anto (talk) 15:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - a valid concensus should be reached that would affect all the articles about slavic(all non-english, even) people. --PrimEviL 21:09, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's a standard WP practice to use diacritics in foreing-language article titles for names and exonyms in languages that use Latin script unless some Anglicised form is more prevalent in English. Since there is hardly any evidence for "Goran Ivanishevich" spelling, there's no need to insist on misleading article name (/š/ is not exactly /s/, and /ć/ is not exactly /c/). --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 21:43, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Point to the source of your claims - where has been established that "WP practice"?--PrimEviL 21:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
In just about every single WP article I've seen (though I'm not active here long enough so I might be wrong). So it's Radovan Karadžić not Radovan Karadzic, Ferdo Šišić not Ferdo Sisic etc. Though I now see that even when widespread Anglicised name is used, the native spelling is prefered (Franjo Tuđman instead of Franjo Tudjman), Karađorđe instead of Karadjordje etc.).
However, important difference here is that omitting diacritics is not Anglicisation - it's just a byproduct of writer's lazy confinement to QWERTY keyboard. Like when in English you write French loanwords as divorcee instead of divorcée, cafe instead of café etc. Hopefully we have redirects so typing both Goran Ivanisevic and Goran Ivanišević will get you to the same article. --Ivan Štambuk (talk) 09:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If you oppose the name change here, then, I must ask - go and support the change on the Novak Đoković article. Take care. --PrimEviL 17:06, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because of consistency. If diacritics are forbidden in Novak Djokovic then they should be forbidden everywhere.--Avala (talk) 11:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Diactics are not forbidden,. You are misinformed. "Novak Djokovic" is result of outvoting --Añtó| Àntó (talk) 20:30, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I.E., consensus, which obviously is a bad thing and should be banned (or blocked) according to some. Tennis expert (talk) 21:01, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • That so called consensus that was made in April 2008 , just 7 days after 2 years of discussion- used good opportunity in good time. Syncronized acting and imposed the rule.more -less same user -member of anti-diacritics squad. Great job. Congratulations!--Añtó| Àntó (talk) 09:11, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I suggest that users who oppose this move provide evidence of their preferred rendering from English usage. We depend on the facts of English usage for our titles, and currently the only facts deployed are in favor of the rendering without diacritics.Erudy (talk) 15:16, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not sufficient reason to oppose; what is he actually called in English? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 15:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support it's how his name appears in the sports pages, so it's the common name in English for him. 76.66.196.229 (talk) 22:19, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. His name is spelled "Ivanisevic" according to the ATP and every other source I can find. --Yano (talk) 22:45, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This person's name is Croatian and its accurate transcription in the Latin alphabet bears diacritics, as allowed in English and as we have been using throughout Wikipedia for a long time. Húsönd 02:23, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Can you provide any reliable sources that his name includes diacritics? We have many that state otherwise. --Yano (talk) 02:31, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You pick. Plenty of sources amongst all the wikis where this person's name bears diacritics amid English text. But did you actually doubt that this person's Croatian name lacked the diacritics? Húsönd 04:07, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I like this one. Húsönd 04:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Are you joking? That is not a reliable source. Wikipedia -- which you supposedly administrate -- has standards of proof, and they apply to you too. Please review the guidelines. --Yano (talk) 04:28, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Would you kindly pinpoint the guideline that says that this source is not reliable? Húsönd 12:34, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - standard practice (if not enshrined in policy) to use diacritics etc. in the main article name, and use the Anglicised version as a redirect. - fchd (talk) 09:09, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That so-called "standard practice" conveniently ignores WP:UE. "Wikipedia does not decide what characters are to be used in the name of an article's subject; English usage does. Wikipedia has no rule that titles must be written in certain characters, or that certain characters may not be used. Versions of a name which differ only in the use or non-use of modified letters should be treated like any other versions: Follow the general usage in English verifiable reliable sources in each case, whatever characters may or may not be used in them." Tennis expert (talk) 10:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That so-called guideline within WP:UE was inserted last year by long-time diacritic hater PMAnderson above. Just because he is sneakily eroding and tainting the guidelines with his POV does not mean that other users will be foolish enough to believe that those insertions were consensual. In fact, it's time to do something about it. Húsönd 13:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, unlike some (e.g., Goran Visnjic), the subject is notable for activity associated with Croatia. "Goran Ivanisevic" is not English, it's just a diacriticless form of his own name. (English might be Goran Johnson something similar). — AjaxSmack 03:18, 10 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per most of the opposers above – Ivanišević is simply the correct spelling. MTC (talk) 07:00, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Is there an ending to this request? It's been on for about 8 months. --PrimEviL 08:03, 11 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I explained my reasons in other discussions. --Göran S (talk) 12:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Request for wider input on discussion at WikiProject Tennis[edit]

There is a long, ongoing discussion at WP:Tennis about the tournament tables found in tennis articles on English-language Wikipedia (e.g., this type of table). The discussion is about whether the "official sponsored name" of a tournament - such as Pacific Life Open - or another tournament name without the sponsor - such as Indian Wells Masters - must be used in those articles. Please join the discussion here. Thanks. Tennis expert (talk) 09:24, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That section does not exist on that article. - fchd (talk) 13:14, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wimbledon 1998[edit]

Add that he met Richard Krajicek in 1998 before meeting Sampras. Without this marathon match, he would probably have won against Sampras. It is a bit similar to the big match between Djokovic and Nadal in 2009, just before the French Open. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.171.32.248 (talk) 13:42, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Record-Holder in the Number of Aces?[edit]

On the "Ace (tennis)" page — http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_%28tennis%29 — it says that "Goran Ivanišević holds the record for most aces served in a year with 1477 in the 1996 season. He also holds the record for aces in a career with 10,093." Either this is true (or still true), and the information should be added to the Croatian's page — probably in the introductory paragraphs — or it has either been superceded or been proven outright mistaken, and the information should be updated (to the correct record-holder(s)) on the "Ace (tennis)" page… Asteriks (talk) 22:49, 26 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Actually 10,183 aces in his career,[1], as well as 1477 aces in 1996.[2] Both are still all-time records (as of 2014) and definitely remarkable enough to be mentioned in his bio. GregorB (talk) 19:59, 14 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nickname[edit]

It would be good to mention that his nickname in Croatian is Zec, which is Rabbit in English. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.15.184.226 (talk) 06:11, 9 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Use of the term 'clutch'[edit]

I have added a request for clarification of the term 'clutch' in the 'Playing Style' section. I have a vague understanding that it is a North American term that describes the performance of a skill under pressure. However, I don't fully understand it and therefore feel I lack the knowledge to clarify it. Can someone confirm and potentially change the term to a more 'world-friendly' phrase or explanation? Thanks TGB13 (talk) 18:04, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Acievements[edit]

Some records I managed to find and think should be in the article.

Records
  • the only male or female player to have won a GS tournament after being invited, W 2001.
  • longest (singles) tiebreak on GS - 38 points USO 1993; record shared with B.Borg and Tsonga
  • longest (singles) tiebreak 38 points USO 1993 and Queen's 1997 ; record shared with B.Borg, Federer and Tsonga
  • most games played in a tournament - 317 W 2001
  • most aces in a season
  • first to score 5000 career aces
  • first to score 6000 career aces
  • first to score 7000 career aces
  • first to score 8000 career aces
  • first to score 9000 career aces
  • first to score 10,000 career aces
  • most career aces on carpet 3000+
  • most wins after saving match point 16
  • quite possibly first to score 1000 career aces on grass
  • quite possibly first to score 3000 career aces on carpet
  • Most winning tie-breaks in one tournament (8 tie-breaks) : Wimbledon 1998 ; record held with Wayne Arthurs (Wimbledon 1999) Novak Djokovic (Wimbledon 2007) https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/records/274334.html
  • Most played tie-breaks in one grand slam tournament : 11 tie-breaks - Wimbledon 1998,Wimbledon 2007) https://www.sports.ru/tribuna/blogs/records/274334.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.149.62.221 (talk) 20:05, 4 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
lost records
  • most career aces
  • most career aces on grass
  • career first serve points won 82.45%
  • most aces in a tournament 213 W 2001
  • most aces in 2 sets match 31
  • most seasons with 1000+ aces 213.149.51.159 (talk) 14:39, 13 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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