Talk:Giulio Cesare

Giulio Cesare
Giulio Cesare
Opera by George Frideric Handel
	Title page of the first printed edition (1724)]]
Description	dramma per musica
Other title	Giulio Cesare in Egitto
Librettist	Nicola Francesco Haym
Language	Italian
Based on	earlier libretto by Giacomo Francesco Bussani
Premiere	20 February 1724; King's Theatre, London

Title[edit]

If the lede says its title is "Giulio Cesare in Egitto", why are we calling it just "Giulio Cesare"? This needs some explanation, at the very least. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 10:45, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's commonly known as "Giulio Cesare" - see here and here (Opera Australia) and etc. There's a redirect from Giulio Cesare in Egitto. An explanation, yes, but IMO nothing is to be gained by swapping the current and the redirect titles. --GuillaumeTell 19:04, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK. Those links do not actually state that the work they're presenting as "Giulio Cesare" is the same thing as "Giulio Cesare in Egitto". I've had a good look around the web, and can't find anything that says the opera is generally, or often, referred to by its short title. There are plenty of hits for the long title, and plenty for the short, but precious little that connects them. Someone could easily come to the conclusion that Handel wrote 2 different operas, one called "Giulio Cesare" and another called "Giulio Cesare in Egitto", unless they saw something like this, for example and read down to "It is no accident of history that Giulio Cesare was to prove popular ...", and then the penny might drop.

I've edited the lede to state the matter plainly. But it would be good to find a cite that makes this a not quite so OR-ish assertion. -- Jack of Oz ... speak! ... 19:40, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine - thanks! The article itself still needs a fair bit of attention. I'll try to have a go at improving it some time next week. --GuillaumeTell 00:48, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox added to article[edit]

Today an infobox was added to this article, replacing the Handel sidebar with a picture of the composer and links to all his other works that has been on the article for years. I have been working hard on trying to improve the articles on Handel's works, there are a lot of them that need improvement. To me it is important that there is a picture of Handel and links to his other works at the top and the side, it unifies the Handel articles and encourages readers to explore his other works. That infobox does not add anything at all to the article in my opinion, it just repeats information that is in the lead and replaces a picture of the composer with a picture of an illustration from a vocal score or some such. I was referred to this conversation Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera/Archive 125#Infobox opera made simple which says among other things "If someone adds an infobox and another editor thinks it's inappropriate they can revert and discuss. If someone removes a long-standing infobox and another editor thinks that's inappropriate they can revert and discuss." I would not remove the infoboxes from the featured articles on "Rinaldo" or "Messiah" for the very reason that they are long-standing. This article has been here for years without an infobox and I don't see any reason for one to be added. That conversation also says "if you know...that the article's main editors intensely dislike them, no matter how irrational you think that is, then just leave it alone". I would not say that I am one of this article's "main" editors as it has been in pretty good shape for a long time, although I have worked on it, but I believe I am certainly one of the main editors in the area of works by Handel, and yes I do intensely dislike the Handel "catalogue" at the side being replaced by a (useless, in my opinion) infobox. I wasn't going to do this, I left a note on the talk page of the person who added the infobox and asked her to take it out but since she referred me to the discussion which says if "another editor thinks it's inappropriate they can revert and discuss" I am taking it out. Smeat75 (talk) 14:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. Johnbod (talk) 14:31, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I added the infobox because I believe that a first-time reader of an article is helped more by seeing information relevant to the article in question, than navigation away from it which is commonly (and here) available in a navbox at the bottom, for readers so inclined. The pictured composer looks a few decades too old for this piece ;) - I am sorry about a typo in the premiere date, corrected here. Moving on to more important topics. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:17, 1 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Excellent article[edit]

Just wanted to say that this is certainly the most thorough and well-researched of any of the entries for Handel's operas. A delight to read and have on the screen before one whilst listening to the opera. I doff my hat to he, she or those who worked on the entry. aldiboronti (talk) 18:28, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Mathsci (talk) 15:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]