Talk:Gian Gastone de' Medici

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On 15 December 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Gian Gastone de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany to Gian Gastone de' Medici. The result of the discussion was moved.

New material[edit]

What's our source for this new material? It sounds like gossip. If it isn't sourced then we'll need to remove it. -Willmcw 19:17, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Willmcv, the source of the new material is Franco Cesati's book "The Medici, Story of a European Dynasty", printed by Madragora in Italy, by Giunte Industrie Grafiche (Prato). The book is being sold official as Medici's story in Ufizzi gallery and "Palazzio Vecchio" museums. It's definetely not a gossip. Igor Zeiger 19:51, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for providing that. It still sounds like gossip, but much of history is gossip. At least it is from a printed source. Cheers, -Willmcw 20:57, 26 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Is it cut and paste? If so be careful of copyright! Rich Farmbrough. 11:59, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

HAVE YOU SEEN THIS BULLSHIT?!?!?!! I'm deleting it.

I don't thin that saying "have you seen this bullshit" is a proper statement for discussion and for editing an article. The "bullshit" as you said is taken from an official book, written and printed in Italy. So, you may set is as controversial, but not saying it's a bullshit. I think that this editing must be reverted back.

Links[edit]

I removed duplicate links through the article (Cosimo III was linked three times, for example) which i think are untidy. If i am wrong in this, i apologise. On a totally different matter, why is the article called "Gian Gastone de' Medici..." and this page "Gian Gaston..."? Cheers, Lindsay 22:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gian Gastone's Private Life[edit]

The material on the Grand Duke's private life is scurrilous and somewhat gross. It does indeed read like gossip, and adds very little to any historical assessment of his reign. I think that it makes little difference whether it is sourced or not. It was customary for the political enemies of rulers to produce salacious stories about them to discredit them, so I would treat any such material with caution. I wonder if some of this stuff written about Gian Gastone survived because it served the interests of his successor, Stephen of Lorraine? Anyhow, I have excised a particularly vulgar paragraph. Writing everything you can find about someone, and writing about their historical significance, are two different exercises. I would have thought that Wikipedia aimed for the latter. --Iacobus 02:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed some POV and non-encyclopedic language. The arguement that someone circa 1700 who was almost age 60 was "prematurely aged" is dubious. Likewise, POV editorializing about his lifestyle has been removed. -- House of Scandal (talk) 01:50, 9 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Other then he can't get along with his wife, there is nothing in the text to say he was gay so I removed the category.Anoodleinmysoup (talk) 23:17, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to revert the article to an older, more complete version, that includes the whole story of his life. Some editor had deleted a large part because they thought it too gossipy. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 02:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not because it is "too gossipy", but because it fails REDFLAG by ignoring Wiki's requirement that "Exceptional claims require exceptional sources". These are exactly the kind of intimate and disapproved sexual details rulers (and, for that matter, commoners) generally concealed from public notice at that time. Multiple reliable sources are called for, but have yet to be provided. FactStraight (talk) 02:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What's the problem with the sources in the article? This isn't a WP:BLP, and the assetions aren't particularly extraordinary. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From the details of the case, it appears that htese incidents were not concealed. If you're making the assertion of REDFLAG the burden is on you to prove the claim. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing no further explanation, I'll restore the sourced material. Please discuss this issue here before removing it again. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 02:04, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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NPOV[edit]

"Gian Gastone gave his all in reforming his realm, purging corrupt ecclesiasts from government ..."

NPOV? It's stated as fact when it's the conclusion of Harold Acton. This should be stated more clearly. Just an example. Hekerui (talk) 06:48, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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