Talk:George Sanders

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Birthdate - old or New Style?[edit]

Since Sanders was born in pre-revolutionary Russia, is the date "3 July" the date as shown on his birth certificate (which would have used the Old Style calendar, making the New Style date 16 July), or has it been converted already to New Style from Old Style 20 June? JackofOz 13:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have the same question, but I cannot yet find the answer thru Google.--Jusjih 04:43, 27 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
He was born on July 3, 1906 in St. Petersburg Russia to British parents. He clearly states this date in his autobiography, Memoirs of a Professional Cad (1960). 20yearoldboyfromNY (talk) 01:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I think you may have missed the point of the inquiry. Russia didn't change from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian Calendar until after the October Revolution (which actually took place in November new style, and the change involved a number of day being dropped from the calendar (I'm not sure how many -- when England switched in 1700 it was 11 days.) So, does "July 3, 1906" mean that when Sanders was born, that was the date on the Russian calendar, which means by a calendar in England or the US at the same moment it was something like July 14th? Or does it mean that Sanders' birthdate by the Russian calendar was sometime in late June and the conversion to the new calendar made it into July 3rd, as we know it now?

In all probability, since he was born to English parents, who returned to England after the Revolution, they continued to keep the Gregorian calendar all along, so that July 3 is a "new style" date. Unfortunately, I have no authority to back that up. Does the autobiography discuss the Russian calendar change at all? Ed Fitzgerald t / c 03:52, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The difference was 13 days. The possibilities are:
  • A: (Julian) 20 June = (Gregorian) 3 July
  • B: (Julian) 3 July = (Gregorian) 16 July.
My experience of cases like this suggests that it's more likely they kept whatever date was on the birth certificate, and simply ignored the fact that it was from a different calendar when they returned to the UK. That would make B more likely, which would mean he was actually born 13 days later, and lived 13 days less, than we've been led to believe. But I'm also just guessing. I'm always surprised when people write about events in pre-revolutionary Russia involving non-Russians, and don't make any comment about which calendar they're talking about. Maybe Sanders neither knew nor cared that "3 July 1906" means different things depending on which calendar one is talking about. Or maybe his publishers thought that the people who'd read his book would not only know nor care either, but they might actually be confused; or, maybe they didn't want to make it sound like a learned academic treatise by getting into this degree of specificity. Whatever - obviously they'd never heard of Wikipedia (mainly because it didn't exist then). -- JackofOz (talk) 20:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

George Sanders Children[edit]

My foxhole buddy in WWII in 1944-1945 was George Sanders Son-Burtrum Sanders. We were in the 103rd infantry division in the 7th army-after the battle of the bulge he became division photographer.He would tell me stories about his dad in Hollywood and movie making. I lost track of Burt after the war. What ever happened to Burt Sanders?

Calvin Lazar —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.26.193.48 (talk) 10:01, 28 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I have read George Sanders personal autobiography, Memoirs of a Professional Cad (1960) as well as two biographies later written about him, A Dreadful Man (1979) by actor Brian Aherne and George Sanders: An Exhausted Life (1990). In all three of his books, none were stated or even mentioned he had a son or Burt Sanders. He clearly said that he was married four times, but he NEVER had any children. So, the name you ask of, is NOT George Sanders (July 3, 1906 - April 25, 1972) son. 20yearoldboyfromNY (talk) 01:18, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You want to check the dates, old fellow. Sanders would have to have been twenty at the most when his son was born. And the son would surely have known his mother's name. 109.154.12.212 (talk) 23:07, 21 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nonstandard formating[edit]

Lately the biographical section of this article has been split up so as to separate the "Death" portion from the rest - with the filmography inserted between. Is there some reason for this? It seems to run contrary to the pattern of other articles about actors.RandomTool2 (talk) 13:25, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Flag Icons[edit]

Why is his flag icons always removed? It used to stay there next to his birth and death place locations. Why is it not needed anymore? (20yearoldboyfromNY (talk) 00:52, 5 June 2008 (UTC)).[reply]

Because he was born in Russia of British parents the flag can be somewhat misleading, although I have never been the person who removed it.RandomTool2 (talk) 12:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, by the way, on your sourcing: I suggest you study how references are inserted. It's really not that hard and improves the credibilty of your edits.RandomTool2 (talk) 13:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Quotation[edit]

Why the big deal about the quotation formatting? Just do whatever is considered standard.RandomTool2 (talk) 23:46, 17 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Filmography[edit]

Anyone want to tackle the task of redoing the Filmography per the Bio project guidelines at Wikipedia:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers#Filmography? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 02:00, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, what is wrong with his filmogrpahy? Why redo? I spent a lot of time adding SEVERAL of his titles a few months ago that were NOT listed in his filmogrpahy before. Please explain. Thank you. 20yearoldboyfromNY (talk) 04:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Official Site[edit]

It appears that George Sanders (actor) has NO offical website. The best websites for him are currently on Wikipedia and IMDb, but no OFFICIAL WEBSITE, like GeorgeSanders.com, but unfortunately it is already taken by a real estate agent, which is of NO relation to the actor. If an official site was to be created, a url like George_Sanders.com (with underscore or something) to differentiate from already existing site. Wikipedia would list his offical website if he did have one. Is it possible anyone here thinks he DESERVES an OFFICIAL site? He was an EXCELLENT actor, ALMOST LEGENDARY. Actors like Humphrey Bogart, Bette Davis, Elizabeth Taylor and EVEN his ex-wife Zsa-Zsa Gabor have their OWN OFFICIAL WEBSITE. Could possibly someone create a new OFFICIAL WEBSITE for George Sanders, and then that link could be referenced HERE on Wikipedia. With his high status, and nobility of such a great and well-known actor he surely deserves to have an official website. It would just be so rude to ignore this and not make a dedicated website for such a talented actor. 20yearoldboyfromNY (talk) 04:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

THIS is NOT the PLACE to discuss WHETHER he SHOULD have his OWN WEBSITE or NOT. If he ever gets one, we'll no doubt reference it. If not, not. (Spelling note: Can I suggest you let your words speak for themselves; capitalising many words in a paragraph simply detracts from your message and makes the post very unattractive. Written communication is as much about visual appeal as it is about the meaning of the words.) -- JackofOz (talk) 04:34, 25 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"I'm a little teapot"[edit]

The "George Sanders" who co-wrote this song in 1939 was not the actor, but a composer and musician named "George Harry Sanders". See this Google Books excerpt from the book The Artful Teapot. Ed Fitzgerald t / c 01:51, 27 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"That Kind of Woman"[edit]

This film is listed twice, under 1958, and again under 1959,--173.33.216.123 (talk) 22:09, 2 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

David Niven's statement[edit]

In the section "Death," there is this: "David Niven wrote in his autobiography The Moon's a Balloon that his friend Sanders, in 1937 at the age of 31, had predicted he would commit suicide when he was 65." On March 15 of this year, an anonymous IP changed the title, saying in his/her edit summary, "David Niven's autobiography is 'The Moon's a Balloon' and not 'Bring On The Empty Horses'". While this statement in and of itself is true, the problem in the article may have been the use of the term "autobiography" rather than the title given, as his own article describes Horses as "a collection of highly entertaining reminiscences from Hollywood's 'Golden Age' in the 1940s." The statement about Sanders could very easily be in that one. Yes, I know I'm mixing "1937" with "the 1940s," but just because OUR article limits that book to that decade does not in any way, shape, or form prove that it actually is; all things considered (especially the fact that Niven spent a good part of the '40s well removed from Hollywood in World War II military service), that doesn't seem plausible at all. While there is a ref citation to Balloon here, it is just to the book as a whole (no page number, chapter number and/or name, or anything else), and very poorly formatted. I assume it was just put up after the title change and can't give it any real credibility. Does anybody know in which of these two books Niven actually wrote this? --Tbrittreid (talk) 21:58, 28 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a detailed reference for this. The statement is in Bring on the Empty Horses, page 304. (In case you have a different edition, this is in the second section of the final chapter.) (Peter Ells (talk) 16:24, 11 February 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Career - very specific description of the ending of Ivanhoe[edit]

I refer to this paragraph: "He then starred as Sir Brian de Bois-Guilbert in Ivanhoe (1952), dying in a duel with Robert Taylor after professing his love for Jewish maiden Rebecca, played by Elizabeth Taylor". I'm new to wikipedia and I just read the guideline on spoilers, but nevertheless I think those information aren't so relevant to "justify" the spoiler effect. Could we be more generic about the facts in the movie? Ceccobartfast (talk) 11:37, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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ffolliott[edit]

That the end credits get the orthography wrong is not dispositive. The movie proper has this dialog:

  • Carol Fisher : This is Scott ffolliott, newspaperman same as you. Foreign correspondent.
  • Mr. Haverstock, Mr. ffolliott.
  • ffolliott : With a double 'f'.
  • John Jones : How do you do?
  • ffolliott : How do you do?
  • John Jones : I don't get the double 'f'.
  • ffolliott : They're at the beginning. Both small 'f's
  • John Jones : They can't be at the beginning.
  • ffolliott : One of my ancestors was beheaded by Henry VIII. His wife dropped the capital letter to commemorate it. There it is.
  • John Jones : How do you say it, like a stutter?
  • ffolliott : No, just a straight 'fuh'. - Nunh-huh 19:51, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
When Brits spell their last names with an initial double-f, both are lowercase, unless there is some grammatical reason to capitalize the initial letter, like if the name were the first word of a sentence, and sometimes, even then. See PG Wodehouse's short story "A Slice of Life", or, here: https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2017/08/ff-names.html . In the short story, the character is Sir Jasper ffinch-ffarrowmere, who visits the protagonist, Wilfred Mulliner, and indulges in the following exchange:
"Sir Jasper Finch-Farrowmere?" said Wilfred.
"ffinch-ffarrowmere," corrected the visitor, his sensitive ear detecting the capital letters.
"Ah yes. You spell it with two small f's."
"Four small f's."
HandsomeMrToad (talk) 06:39, 7 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Second suicide note[edit]

I really would like to know what the second note said. I am a bit curious about it. God Bless his soul and I hope he rest in peace. He was one of my favorite actor's from that era of time. BrendaRegister 20:53, 31 December 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by BrendaRegister (talk • contribs)

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