Talk:Garret Hobart

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December 2, 2011Good article nomineeListed
December 12, 2011Peer reviewReviewed
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Did You Know A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on December 6, 2011.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Vice President Garret Hobart not only advised President William McKinley, but also invested part of his salary for him?
On this day... A fact from this article was featured on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "On this day..." column on June 3, 2018.
Current status: Featured article

Transition from State office[edit]

I have removed the trivia section comprising the statement that Hobart was the only Vice Presidnet to transition directly from a State legislature to a national ofifce (which I assume is meant to mean the Presidency or Vice Presidnecy). I have done this because:

  • It is unsourced;
  • It is of limited utility as a claim. There have been Presidents and Vice Presidents who held no elective office beforehand - Eisenhower for example.; and
  • On a more minor point, trivia sections are generally discouraged.

I also relocated the sentence regarding his status as advisor to McKinlay, to better fit the flow of the article. Euryalus 21:53, 13 October 2007 (UTC) YOUTUBE ROCKS![reply]

It also isn't true. In 1896, Hobart had not been a legislator for over a decade. Politics was a hobby with him until lightning struck. By the way, I intend to do some work on the article and am accumulating sources. Once I finish the first article in my McKinley series, Mark Hanna, this will be next.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:42, 20 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Wizardman (talk · contribs) 20:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

As much as I hate "tagging" articles the same day as they're nommed, I actually know a great deal about Hobart, so I could give this a good review. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 20:27, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Here are the issues I found:

  • "Childhood tales of the future vice president describe him as an excellent student, in both day " that comma doesn't seem necessary.
  • "(1869–1904, survived as widow)" I'm confused as to how the marriage ended in 1904 if Hobart died in 1899.
  • "Reporter Arthur Wallace Dunn wrote of Hobart, "for the first time in my recollection, and the last for that matter, the Vice President was recognized as somebody, as a part of the Administration, and as a part of the body over which he presided".[44]" adding in a year when he said this may be beneficial. Most people woouldn't need it, but I read that and presume it was said a while back, since the past few VPs have jumped to that level.
  • I'm wondering if the strengthening the office section should be changed to "Assistant President". I'm fine with either or, just tossing it out there.

After looking through a couple sources I have here, you hit on everything I could find, so I have nothing else to really add. I'll put the article on hold and will have no problems passing it once the nitpicks are fixed. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:04, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Someone's heard of Hobart! Well done. Yes, the 1904 was a careless cut and paste from my Mark Hanna articles. I'll work thorugh the rest of these. Did you see anything I missed/got wrong/screwed up?--Wehwalt (talk) 19:06, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Got those, thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:19, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Looks good. I'll give it another quick look through, though I don't think there are any other issues. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Only other thing I can think of that might be worth adding is that it seems that Hobart was relatively inexperienced in politics upon entering the vice presidency compared to others (ironic when you think about it). The selection part is detailed enough as is, but I can provide a sentence and source for that if you think it's worth noting. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 19:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I'd rather not. He had much more experience, for example, than Chester A. Arthur.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:22, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
That's true, Arthur definitelydid come out of nowhere. Everything else checks out so I'll pass the article. Wizardman Operation Big Bear 21:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. It should be at FAC in a month.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now a FA in Chinese Wikipedia[edit]

I have translated this article to Chinese Wikipedia here and promoted to FA status, and I want to thank User:Wehwalt for his effort to write this amazing article. --Jarodalien (talk) 08:33, 11 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Image of Hobart as boy[edit]

Magie says here he was 14. The age of puberty was often older than it is today, that's the only thing I can think of. But we can change the caption to "Hobart as a boy", etc. For one thing, his youthful appearance helps to explain why his parents were reluctant to send him to Rutgers. I don't see how you can override Magie with a subjective impression.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:10, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Wehwalt: I agree with your observation. I made my best estimate of his age, but it's only an estimate. I went through the source for the photo and found no reference to his age at the time it was taken - I should have seen the page in the table of contents, because it's right there. But I missed it.
Even so, I'm certain 14 can't be right - I asked several other people to look at the picture and give me their impression, and they were all in the 6 to 8 range.
A caption like Hobart as a boy or something along those lines would solve the problem. I don't want to argue with a published source, but I'm sure it's wrong.
How do you want to handle it?
Billmckern (talk) 12:42, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I will change it as you suggest.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:44, 13 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
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