Talk:Floral design

Floral design was nominated as a Art and architecture good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (March 22, 2023, reviewed version). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Where have all the florists gone? Are we going to have a dead summer, or what?

need for this article?[edit]

Most of the content of this page is covered in floristry including the descriptions of what designers do. Rather than starting another article, I would like to see the current one cleaned up and developed.

The links within the Floral Design Schools and Floral Design Promotion Associations lead to a site which has copied the titles and descriptions from Open Directory Project categories without proper attribution and I believe those links should be deleted.
The list of designers leads to pages that don't exist, except one. Why is it currently necessary?

- I still quesiton the need for this page, but since it exists, it needs built out, including articles about the notable designers and far better information about floral design.Camillia (talk) 01:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Link of Floral Designer Preston Bailey[edit]

I have seen the floral designer Preston Bailey and I know for a fact he is not a 8 year white child actor. The link of Preston Bailey the floral designer under "Floral design" article directs the user to a child actor of the same name.

I agree. Nothing has yet been written about notable floral designer Preston Bailey, but he certainly warrants an article. Camillia (talk) 01:32, 27 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citations needed[edit]

I added a copy editing template noting the lack of inline citation in this article. SpiritedMichelle (talk) 03:04, 2 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Flower arrangement and synonyms[edit]

Flower arrangement and synonyms such as Floral arrangement currently redirect to a mix of Floral design and Floristry. There is a consensus that they should all redirect to the same place, but not about which target is best - please contribute to the discussion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 July 10#Flower arrangement. Thryduulf (talk) 09:58, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Seems like there was a lot of discussion on this, but none of the solutions involved improving the articles and making them more clear. The broad definition at the top of Floristry has no citation, but the article certainly seems more complete than this one. I ended up on this page because of a link from Ikebana, but this page doesn't talk about different styles of floral design while Florist does. If anyone else is keen to work on the content of the pages (not worrying about priority or preference of the articles for the time being), please chime in. —Zujine|talk 15:02, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Floral design/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Colin M (talk · contribs) 19:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I can tell you've put a lot of work into expanding this article! It's thorough in its coverage of different aspects of the topic and well illustrated. Unfortunately, it's very far from meeting the Verifiability part of the GA criteria, so I'm going to quickfail it for now.

The density of citations is somewhat low. There are some statements of fact that don't have citations and definitely need them (e.g. "Egyptians were the first to use cut flowers and arrangements"), and it's unusual for a GA-level article to have whole paragraphs without any citations. For example, the "Tools" section is 7 paragraphs long, and only one of those has any citations.

But the most significant issue is that, of the existing citations, many (most?) are not to reliable sources. Blogs are usually not reliable sources unless they're written by an established subject matter expert or they have a reputation for a rigorous editorial/fact-checking process. Most of the blogs and web sources cited here seem to be low-quality commercial content. The Garden Club of Virginia pdf which is cited several times is probably also not reliable (no individually named author(s), and it seems unlikely that this private club follows the same kind of editorial processes for its publications that mainstream publishing houses or press outlets do). But I notice that that pdf does have a "Bibliography" section which lists a lot of books on this topic which seem to be reliable sources. That's probably a good place to start looking for solid sources.

Sourcing is the biggest issue here, but I'll mention a few more minor points that I noticed:

The "History" section is very long - maybe half as long as the article it's summarizing. I would consider cutting it down.
If possible, it would be interesting to know who came up with the seven design principles and five elements described in the article, and when
There seems to currently be some overlap in scope between this article and Floristry. I would consider whether they could be divided more cleanly.
The introduction enumerates different categories of floral arrangements (vase arrangements, wreaths, nosegays, garlands, festoons, boutonnieres, corsages, and bows). I was hoping that the body would elaborate on these different types.

I hope you'll consider renominating the article after doing some work on the sourcing. I think you've got a good start here. Colin M (talk) 19:09, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for taking the time to review the article; I spent many hours working on it! Citations and references were my biggest concern when nominating, so thank you for giving me a base of what needs to be changed in order to improve the article (especially the bibliography section on the Garden Club pdf)! I will quickly get to work on adjusting the refs, trimming the history section, and describing the different types of arrangements.

Once again, I thank you for your time and suggestions. I hope one day this article can be of good status! 01:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC) Jmaxx37 (talk) 01:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]