Talk:Far Out (website)

"Far Out" is a site that mirrors and forks Wikipedia content

This edit [1] mentioning with links to check out the chronology of events, shows that Far Out website did copy and paste important sections of a wikipedia article about an album, before publishing it.

In 2023, Far Out mirrored and forked the wikipedia article Peter Gabriel 1980 album as it appeared in its version of July 2023, by reproducing identical quotes by producer Steve Lillywhite in an article titled "When Peter Gabriel banned Phil Collins from using cymbals", published on their website on 15 August 2023. Iennes (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC) Iennes (talk) 16:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest by user Faroutlee and their ips

User Faroutlee who runs the Far out website [2] and their anonymous ips, are not allowed to edit on this article. Iennes (talk) 17:09, 19 October 2023 (UTC)

Chat GPT?

Stylistically the writing seems awkward and I’m constantly wondering if this is an AI product? Pbutts (talk) 21:40, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia mirroring

Iennes, Deltaspace42 - I see that in recent weeks, you have both been working to reinstate a section about Far Out mirroring a Wikipedia article. I don't see any source presented to support this content - it appears to be supported by a link to the Far Out article, and to the relevant version of the Wikipedia article. I have two concerns with this - first, without a source this smacks of WP:OR - to verify the assertion, the reader would have to read the relevant version of the Wikipedia article, compare it against the Far Out article, check the publication dates of each, and then draw their own conclusion. That is not OK. Second, without coverage of the event in a reliable independent source, I can't see what argument there would be for this being WP:DUE - even if true, we need independent sources to discuss it to demonstrate that it's worth our mentioning.

If you cannot support the paragraph with reliable sources, I would strongly recommend that we allow the IP editor to have their way and remove the content. Regardless of the IP editor's motivations or any potential COI, the content is not compliant with our content policies. Girth Summit _(blether) 17:16, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

This website mirrored wiki content and it is well covered with chronology. 'even if true ? Iennes (talk) 07:50, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Whether its true or not this is clearly original research and shouldn't be included. There are no reliable sources, it is not verifiable, and notability cannot be established. Jamedeus (talk) 18:54, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

Far Out does Mirroring and forking wikipedia content

In 2023, Far Out mirrored and forked the wikipedia article Peter Gabriel 1980 album as it appeared in its version of July 2023, by reproducing identical quotes and sentences in their article "When Peter Gabriel Banned Phil Collins from Using Cymbals", published on their website in August 2023. Iennes (talk) 08:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC) Iennes (talk) 08:00, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

References

Use of Wikipedia

This highly important and informative section was deleted in April 2024. Sadly.

""Use of Wikipedia":

In 2023, Far Out mirrored and forked the Wikipedia article Peter Gabriel (1980) as it appeared in its version of July 2023, by reproducing identical quotes and sentences in their article "When Peter Gabriel Banned Phil Collins from Using Cymbals". In 2024, Far Out also mirrored and forked the wikipedia article Geordie Walker as it appeared in its version of December 2023 for their article "The song that inspired Killing Joke guitarist Geordie Walker". Iennes (talk) 06:10, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

References

I concur that this section/paragraph is indeed original research, no matter how many editors focus on it. There's just no other publishers that keep note of Far Out's originality. I was just polishing this in my edits because hey, if it's worth mentioning, it's worth mentioning right. At least it's preserved in this talk page, which could be a good tip regarding Far Out's reliability. Speaking of which, it's pretty messy. There's four mentions of the Far Out-Wikipedia connection now. Carlinal (talk) 18:21, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

It's original research because no WP:SECONDARY source has picked it up, and there is no possible citation to support it. However, this issue is something the The Daily Dot would likely be interested in; perhaps Iennes can shoot them a note. If they publish something, we will have a good source.

It is clear that Far Out has published from time to time in a very lazy fashion, scraping content from other web pages. I've reverted Far Out magazine references several times this year, calling them "crap".[3][4][5] My opinion is plain to see.

As an aside: One of the magazine's occasional contributors was caught ref-spamming his own work into Wikipedia; he was blocked as User:Rorylyng but he evaded the block with sockpuppets and by using IPs from Ireland such as Special:Contributions/89.100.122.82. That IP said on this talk page that the plagiarism observed by Iennes "was a legitimite mistake." I wonder why he would defend it. For more details, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Rorylyng/Archive and Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1005#Linkspam_citing_Eoghan_Lyng..._Filter?

Let's hold off on the Wikipedia plagiarism issue until a third-party source publishes something about it. Binksternet (talk) 20:43, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the additional information regarding the website (magazine?)'s reliability, and for the suggestions that could bring this info back up front. Hopefully a better review on its quality will be done.

Also, just to remove skepticism (including my own), while the Rorylyng username isn't mentioned in the ANI archive (unusually), Eoghan Lyng definitely wrote for Far Out, as shown by several of his tweets and more. I cannot understand why two website contributors would wanna do this, but that's besides the point. Carlinal (talk) 21:20, 2 April 2024 (UTC)