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RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → False statements by Donald Trump, No consensus, 22 April 2019, Requested move 22 April 2019
Discussion, *various options presented initially*, No consensus, 19 August 2022, Title of article is wrong
RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → Mendacity of statements by Donald Trump, Withdrawn, 11 June 2023, Requested move 11 June 2023
RM, Veracity of statements by Donald Trump → Inaccuracy of statements by Donald Trump, Consensus to move to False or misleading statements by Donald Trump, 17 June 2023, Requested move 17 June 2023
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Conrad Duncan (2019-11-13). "Nikki Haley roasted for claiming US president never lied to her". Indy100. Retrieved 2020-04-16. According to The Washington Post, the president had made 13,435 false or misleading claims as of 14 October. There's even a Wikipedia page called "Veracity of statements by Donald Trump", which opens with this sentence: "Donald Trump has made many false or misleading statements, including thousands during his presidency."
It seems as if this article should have more coverage of the media's years-long reluctance to refer to Trump's falsehoods as "lies", and how they eventually started conceding that he's a liar. The fact that they were so reluctant to refer to the lies as lies started getting considerable attention, as did their decision to finally admit the reality. — Red XIV(talk) 06:34, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
New study reveals correlation between Trump’s repeated falsehoods and public misperceptions.[edit]
"New research published in Public Opinion Quarterly reveals a correlation between the number of times President Donald Trump repeated falsehoods during his presidency and misperceptions among Republicans, and that the repetition effect was stronger on the beliefs of people who consume information primarily from right-leaning news outlets." -- New study reveals correlation between Trump’s repeated falsehoods and public misperceptions.Valjean (talk) (PING me) 05:48, 20 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Less character analysis, more verified instances of falsehoods and obviously misleading claims[edit]
This article contains numerous opinion-based character judgments which are not fitting for an encyclopedic entry on such a specific topic. If such information is truly necessary, it should be moved to a section reserved for that purpose, leaving only instances of substantiated lies and mendacity in the existing sections. 152.117.79.55 (talk) 17:40, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's difficult to respond to a general grievance. Please detail some of the specific passages that you find problematic. 331dot (talk) 18:28, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opinions and character analyses are just as legitimate content as straight facts. Just as we are not supposed to isolate criticism into its own section, we should not isolate opinions and analyses into one section. It's best to mix content and place things where they logically fit together. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 20:06, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I note that this issue is mostly resolved and offer the following suggestions. Paragraph 5, under "Use of repetition" (beginning with "The Washington Post "), alludes to the Post's "14 statements" that were disinformation. These are notably missing.
Generally speaking, the character analyses mentioned by the anonymous user above add little to the discussion. The only actual comparison between Trump and other presidents is a 2017 NYT article by Sheryl Stolberg, which, after mentioning some other lies by past presidents, concludes that Trump had taken lying to "an entirely new level" and "Trump is trafficking in hyperbole, distortion and fabrication on practically a daily basis." Nowhere is an unopinionated, and substantiated, comparison of Trump to other presidents. I would agree with the assessment that such conclusions, especially when their premises are omitted, are not appropriate for this entry.
Additionally, most of said character analyses have a strong Left bias, giving this article as a whole a Left skew. It'd be nice to see some more objective statements on Trump's veracity, and additional evidence/opinions from sources with a Right bias. LetsAddSomeContext (talk) 21:05, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You will need to explain how this is a left bias. As is well documented, he spreads disinformation on a constant basis. O3000, Ret. (talk) 21:33, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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