Talk:Eternal Pyre

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Good articleEternal Pyre has been listed as one of the Music good articles under the good article criteria. If you can improve it further, please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can reassess it.
Good topic starEternal Pyre is part of the Slayer discography series, a good topic. This is identified as among the best series of articles produced by the Wikipedia community. If you can update or improve it, please do so.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
August 23, 2010Good article nomineeNot listed
November 11, 2010Good article nomineeListed
August 15, 2011Good topic candidatePromoted
Current status: Good article


Hypocrisy?[edit]

Everywhere else I've seen this EP, it is listed as single track release, with the song "Hypocrisy" not being present. Can anyone confirm that this is on the CD? My guess is that it could've been an iTunes exclusive release, but if so it should be noted in the article as that. Adamravenscroft 18:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • how's this thing an e.p. anyways? Shouldn't it technically be a single?

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Seconded.


EP or Single[edit]

How exactly is this an EP when there is only one song on it? Gune (talk) 01:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:Eternal Pyre/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Cannibaloki 12:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Checklist[edit]

GA review – see WP:WIAGA for criteria

  1. Is it reasonably well written?
    A. Prose quality:
    B. MoS compliance:
    You really need to use Template:Track listing? The chart positions should be organized according WP:CHARTS, not to mention the spelling errors like "Hit pardade" and "Sweddish chart". 5,000 copies were released exclusively through Hot Topic chain stores in the United States and copies were also available in Germany, Finland and Sweden on June 23. Nuclear Blast Records released a further 7" vinyl picture disc version limited to one thousand copies on June 30. This paragraph should not be in the section "reception and release"? Also, the section title should not be "release and reception"?
Since there is more than four fields in the track listing, it should not just be a simple track list. I don't see anything wrong with how the charts are organized, they're alphabetical. Since the section is entitled release and reception (which is normal), it contains information on its release.
  1. Is it factually accurate and verifiable?
    A. References to sources:
    B. Citation of reliable sources where necessary:
    What makes an user review at Sputnikmusic reliable?
Removed
  1. C. No original research:
    Originally, it was thought that the extended play would feature a live version of "Dead Skin Mask" instead of the live version of "War Ensemble", and also was thought to have featured the "Live Intrusion" video, described as "a five-minute clip of the Slayer fan who carved the band's name into his forearm."
    What's wrong with this?
    You're taking information from two sources and combining them together to form a new conclusion. That's original research. I don't really like the rule, but you have to go with it. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 00:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Is it broad in its coverage?
    A. Major aspects:
    B. Focused:
    The album charted on two different charts: number forty-eight on the Swedish charts, and number two on the Finnish charts. According to swisscharts.com, the EP charted on four countries.
Done
  1. Is it neutral?
    Fair representation without bias:
    The album was not well received by critics, with few critics actually reviewing the album. [...] Eternal Pyre generally not received well by critics, with few professionals actually reviewing the album. [...] The extended play was, however, generally well-received by fans, despite having a limited number of copies available. This is not just your opinion?
That's just a summary of what everyone says and how it was received.
  1. Is it stable?
    No edit wars, etc:
  2. Does it contain images to illustrate the topic?
    A. Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:
    B. Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:
  3. Overall:
    Pass or Fail:
    As I said before, good article candidacy is not a substitution for peer review.--Cannibaloki 13:33, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Failed for reasons below. EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 00:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comments[edit]

Despite being short, I think the article is too poorly written to have been nominated for good article candidacy.--Cannibaloki 12:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ref 9 [Sputnikmusic] is not a reliable source, because the review was not written by a staff. TbhotchTalk C. 18:18, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the ref and information. CrowzRSA 18:36, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Doing...--Cannibaloki 12:04, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Done--Cannibaloki 12:42, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Additional comments[edit]

I still see the mentioned spelling errors, the lack of compliance with WP:CHARTS, a dead reference (#7), inconsistent date formats in references, and prose issues ("Originally, it was thought that..." -> The sentence implies that the original "thought" was wrong, yet every prediction made turned out correct. This needs to be clarified.) Since this has gone on for much more than a week with no substantial change, I'm going to have to fail this, and join Cannibaloki in highly recommending that you get a WP:Peer review done before attempting to go for a GAN. Until then, good luck! EricLeb01 (Page | Talk) 00:35, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review[edit]

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This review is transcluded from Talk:Eternal Pyre/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: --CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 01:13, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

 Doin...

Article[edit]

  • Release date needs source
  • Recording studio needs source
  • Eternal Pyre features three tracks total -> in
  • Their performance was positivly commented on, saying that "King and Jeff Hanneman riff like they're summoning a storm of thunder, lightning and human blood," and was also noted to be a "low-tuned, two-string vamp that slithers into the foreground creates a tension as Lombardo's cymbals call the band into the riff that opens the tune. It's slow, meaty, unrelenting in its tautness. When Araya's voice comes in, the whole track is off the rails and stays there" "War Ensemble" was filmed live from Germany, and contains four minutes of studio footage. Lyrics were said to "please fans still harboring a grudge from Catholic school." -> run-on. Needs to be cut up and some quotes need to be filtered.
  • Eternal Pyre generally not received well by critics -> re-write
  • The extended play was, however, generally well-received by fans, despite having a limited number of copies available. -> Source?
  • Since it charted in four different places, it was probably well received by critics, and its limited copies is verified elsewhere. CrowzRSA 00:56, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • With a limited pressing of 1,000 copies, was exclusively -> Fix up
  • Originally, it was thought that the extended play would feature a live version of "Dead Skin Mask" instead of the live version of "War Ensemble", and also was thought to have featured the "Live Intrusion" video, described as "a five-minute clip of the Slayer fan who carved the band's name into his forearm." -> should consider splitting
  • Personnel -> Needs sources
  • Hit parade isn't a chart. Its the official chart for Switzerland.
  • Chart should be capitalized
  • The countries listed should have links to their providers. AKA UK -> (BPI)

That's all, fix these please.--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 18:13, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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