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This article was nominated for deletion on 11 November 2017. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

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Sources and expansion[edit]

I found at least three books on the coffee industry and small business practices that give special attention to Espresso Vivace. Coverage of this company and its founder's role in creating and popularizing latte art is in the New York Times, Village Voice, Kansas City Star, several other books. That doesn't even count the extensive coverage in the Seattle Times and Seattle P-I, or the tourist guides. We should a void peacockery and a promotional tone, but it's obvious that this company has been given significant coverage for a number of topics: latte art, coffee shop business and entrepreneurship, cafe culture, and coffee roasting methods.

Content can be changed or removed for all sorts of editorial reaons, but deleting anything due to "notability" contradicts the notability guidelines, see WP:NNC. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:19, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Content about Schomer[edit]

Much of the current article's content is about Schomer. Is Schomer notable enough for an independent article? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:04, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Technically yes, but we don’t have to make separate articles just because we can. Most everything he has done is inseparable from his business. Making readers flip between two articles for the same content only inconveniences them. So if we have a bio on him, Espresso Vivace should rdirect there. Infobox person can be a sub-module of Infobox company, or vice versa. Or just have a second infobox in an article section below the main one. If an editor prefers to make the bio article now and merge in this later, they are welcome to. In my opinion, it’s simpler and less work, and more collaborative, to focus on cleaning up and expanding this article now, adding content about Schomer. If it is temporarily abandoned before done, it will be in an acceptable state. Down the road, we can revisit this once we have comprehensive content about both Vivace and Schomer in front of us. —Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:25, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Another Believer and Dennis Bratland: Since another user removed most of the biographical information from the article, I have created a new article at David Schomer. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:18, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The irony. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 06:07, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sidewalk bar[edit]

https://seattle.eater.com/2023/5/2/23708368/espresso-vivaces-sidewalk-stand-closes-capitol-hill

---Another Believer _(Talk) 00:38, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]