Talk:Ernest Hemingway/GA1

Ernest Hemingway GA Reassessment

Notified: WP:WPBIO, WP:ILLINOIS, WP:CHICAGO, JayHenry, Alcmaeonid, Rizla.

Belatedly notified: Other editors with at least 25 edits (Rklawton, Geeman, Stephen Burnett, DanielNuyu, Fabricationary, and Kbh3rd)

This article does not seem to have ever been properly assessed at WP:GAC according to its talk history. It is currently undercited and has several {{fact}} tags. I would rate it C-Class in its current state.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 07:12, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I've just reverted obvious vandalism on this article. I agree it's a complete mess. I'd like to someday overhaul it, but it's a massive project. I am not opposed to its removal as GA. --JayHenry (talk) 12:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for spending some time with the article. Obviously, your familiarity with the article enables you to quickly determine what was vandalism and what was deficient editorial work. Correcting either is helpful.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 01:25, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree that this article is a "complete mess." That's overstating things quite a bit. The article has chronic instability issues stemming from near constant editing. It is a big target especially for new editors. To bring it up to speed would require some agressive editing and then the establishment of near constant vigilance by a group of concerned editors.~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 20:16, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough. By "complete mess" I mean that I think it would take more time than GA reviews typically last to get it fixed. The referencing for much of this article is very problematic. Some of that stuff about Castro is cited to completely random blogs. Details of his mental health are cited to the trivia section of an IMDB entry. I think it would take weeks of work, with several academic Hemingway sources, to get this article back up to snuff. The things that we didn't add ourselves we'll want to go back and check that the reference actually supports the material. I've removed a lot of crazy stuff from this article over the years, and I'm sure that much more slipped through. It is a project I'd be interested in though. I have a Cambridge Companion to Hemingway and a biography of him as well. --JayHenry (talk) 23:48, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Good. What would you say to a plan of setting up an informal ad-hoc editing group to really go after this article and bring it up to code? Say with a one month completion target date? We could begin by creating a bibliography of sanctioned academic works. I can order up some books via ILL. Later on we could talk about oversight.~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 18:28, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Are you two making progress on this? It looks to me like a lot of rvvs in the history, but not much progress toward retaining WP:GA.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 18:59, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

True, this is a high profile article - as are several other articles common to school curricula. I don't have GA-specific experience for high profile articles. What approach has succeeded in the past? My gut reaction is to generate a good bibliography (as per Alcmaeonid's suggestion) and to strip out absolutely everything that doesn't conform. We can build up from there. However, I'm open to any collegial process with a modicum of consensus. Rklawton (talk) 21:43, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I'd really love to be involved in this ad hoc group, but won't be able to participate until September. (I didn't see Alcmaeonid's earlier comment about it.) One month wouldn't be a timeline in which I could participate, but if the project waits until September I'd be more than happy to make this my main project on Wiki because I agree it's such an important article. --JayHenry (talk) 22:40, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ditto. Big projects 'tween now and then. Rklawton (talk) 02:14, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Then I'll check back next month. Meanwhile I'll begin to draft a biblio. Is this a page where work can begin or should we create a sandbox somewhere? Under the article talk-page like Talk:Ernest Hemingway/draft or something similar? Not sure of the wiki-protocol on this. ~ Alcmaeonid (talk) 13:44, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

This article is being delisted at WP:GA. In the five weeks since this was listed as a WP:GAR nominee almost none of the major problems have been addressed. In addition, it has become the subject of edit warring and has {{sprotected}}{{pp-move|small=yes}} at the top of the source code for the page.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 04:28, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Oops. That is IP vandalism and not content-dispute related edit warring. Nonetheless the major problems are unresolved.--TonyTheTiger (t/c/bio/WP:CHICAGO/WP:LOTM) 05:39, 15 September 2008 (UTC)