Talk:Environmental impact of the Russian invasion of Ukraine

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 23:26, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

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• ... that there have been severe environmental impacts of the invasion of Ukraine, such as fires in the Black Sea Biosphere Reserve that could be seen from space?

Source: “ The Black Sea Biosphere Reserve, on the southern coast of Ukraine, is a haven for migrating birds. More than 120,000 birds spend the winter flitting about its shores, and a multicolored spectrum of rare species — the white-tailed eagle, red-breasted merganser and black-winged stilt, to name just a few — nest among its protected waters and wetlands.

The reserve is also home to the endangered sandy blind mole rat, the Black Sea bottlenose dolphin, rare flowers, countless mollusks, dozens of species of fish — and, in recent weeks, an invading military.

“Today the territory of the reserve is occupied by the Russian troops,” Oleksandr Krasnolutskyi, a deputy minister of environmental protection and natural resources in Ukraine, said in an email last month. “Currently there is no information on environmental losses.”

But military activity in the area sparked fires large enough to be seen from space, prompting concerns about the destruction of critical bird breeding habitats.”

The New York Times

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Created by Thriley (talk), MaitreyaVaruna (talk), and Matthiaspaul (talk). Nominated by Thriley (talk) at 04:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC).

• ALT1: ... that some severe environmental impacts of the invasion of Ukraine can be seen from space? Radzy0 (talk) 18:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Won't be reviewing, just wanted to point out that there's something wrong with the section excerpted from International sanctions during the Russo-Ukrainian War – the last sentence is broken and seems to have ended up there by mistake. Note that this is an issue in the other article, but affecting the DYK due to the excerpt. --LordPeterII (talk) 19:39, 13 May 2022 (UTC)

@LordPeterII: Thank you. I fixed it. Thriley (talk) 17:07, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

• New enough and long enough. QPQ present. @Thriley, MaitreyaVaruna, and Matthiaspaul: These notes, one of which requires action:

• To assess the scale and unprecedented nature of these events, it should be mentioned that in 2015 there was a fire at the BRSM oil depot near Vasylkiv, which experts assessed as the second largest environmental disaster in Ukraine (after the Chernobyl accident). The event was called the "Vasylkivska tragedy". This needs a citation and is also causing issues as the only paragraph not to end in one. Is there an article on this at ukwiki we can have an interlanguage link to? Can we find the "second largest" quoted somewhere?
• The article reads neutrally enough, in my opinion.
• I prefer the ALT1 by Radzy0 as being snappier while using the same hook fact.

Ping me when you have a resolution to the Vasylkivska section. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:20, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Closed circuit: extra ping for Immanuelle who changed her username since this nomination started. The credit templates have also been updated to reflect this. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 17:22, 25 May 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. I removed the sentences about the 2015 oil fire. I don’t think it is relevant to this article. I agree about ALT1, much hookier. Thriley (talk) 18:49, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

The article passes DYK with that removal. Approve ALT1. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 20:06, 27 May 2022 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: War and the Environment

This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 4 May 2022 and 6 August 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): AwaltonUW (article contribs). Peer reviewers: JoshuaERS, Carter McCrae, Ksaihgpa.

— Assignment last updated by Karanaconda (talk) 18:38, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

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The first five paragraphs lack citations. Can someone add them? Thanks!01:18, 7 August 2022 (UTC)Marcywinograd (talk)

Unacceptably poor content

I reverted to before User:Quorra Rinzler began editing this article, because they clearly don't speak English, their edits were nowhere near coherent, and nor were they written in an encyclopaedic tone with a neutral point of view. *Every single sentence* in the lead before I reverted was either factually or grammatically incorrect, or both. It is not feasible to expect anyone to wade through an entire article like that to bring it up to an acceptable standard. The only possible course of action is to revert, and to request that the user who does not speak English, refrain from editing the English Wikipedia. Bythere (talk) 19:14, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

I have modified the above comment to be less unnecessarily personal. This talk page is for discussing the content, not the conduct, of editors. If you are concerned about a user's behavior by itself, you can voice your concerns on their user talk page. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:35, 8 August 2022 (UTC)

This is completely untrue, you are eliminating referenced parts of the article, a few errors in typo and grammar do not amount to this. You also have no contributions to wikipedia besides attacking this article, please, rethink your intentions. JoaquimCebuano (talk) 00:11, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Dear Bythere, I think that once the blocking is over, you should find someone else who supports your point of view on the article. So far, you seem to be the only one. --Quorra Rinzler (talk) 07:49, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

As is, I still think this comment is a little too grave-dancing-ish. The more constructive thing to do would be to offer to seek a third opinion, start an RfC or take it to the dispute resolution noticeboard. Daniel Case (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

They are not making unreasonable allegations, its just trolling with appearance of good intention. Its unfortunate to see this kind of behavior being accepted in wiki.en, its not like that in other projects... User:JoaquimCebuano JoaquimCebuano (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

• I have reblocked Bythere for edit-warring. I do not think, though, that their edits are vandalism as alleged by JoaquimCebuano at WP:AIV. I am not going to get into the middle of a content dispute as to what should or shouldn't be included in the article, but I feel compelled to say that the article in its present state is a mess. The lead alone is an embarrassment of poor English and bad grammar. I hope someone will address that.--Bbb23 (talk) 13:39, 10 August 2022 (UTC)

  Yeah, the concerns seemed genuine. Sadly, we've been fooled; Bythere turned out to be a (now checkuser-blocked) sockpuppet. The content issues should be addressed though. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 05:39, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

  I have done the copyediting - hope someone else will check the facts Chidgk1 (talk) 18:36, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Climate change in Ukraine by war

Idk 202.153.47.34 (talk) 11:20, 2 September 2022 (UTC)

I don’t know what ldk means but I have copyedited the mention of climate change to read “… international studies of climate change in the Arctic were disrupted.” If you wish further changes in the article and are unable to change it yourself please ask Chidgk1 (talk) 11:55, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Lead needs checking against body of article

I have copyedited the lead as requested. Can anyone check that the content of the lead is properly supported in the body of the article? Chidgk1 (talk) 12:10, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

Health damage needs checking

Can anyone check that the statements are backed up by medically reliable sources? Chidgk1 (talk) 12:34, 3 April 2023 (UTC)

I have tagged the 2nd para as uncited. Maybe health should not be in this article? Chidgk1 (talk) 16:37, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Health effects could instead be in health in Ukraine Chidgk1 (talk) 16:52, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

The impact of truth on reporting the Russian/Ukraine war

Since the title the "Environmental impact of the Russian invasion of Ukraine" is not balanced, and might be considered to be pushing a point of view, could it not be changed to read: The Environmental impact of the Russian/Ukraine conflict? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.27.2.95 (talk) 16:23, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

This is ridiculous. No, there is no need to rename it. The proposed name shifts the accents and shifts some of the blame for the loss of nature to Ukraine. Quorra Rinzler (talk) 16:26, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

agree, zero need to change it. Russia invaded Ukraine and there would be no conflict otherwise. 0lida0 (talk) 14:22, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Oppose: The word “invasion” (as described by my favourite dictionary) literally describes what happened and is still happening. The word “conflict” also somewhat describes it in a broader context, but not as much as the word “invasion”. The Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip (2023–present) isn’t called a conflict either. Therefore I disagree with the proposal to change the title. Betterkeks (talk) 01:13, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Could even change it to Russia's genocide of Ukrainians... also fits definition 46.208.254.165 (talk) 09:54, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Animals

propose we include section on harm to animals. Smth like:

Animals

Cetacea have been a major casualty of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, with more than 50,000 thought to have been killed. The heavy presence of sonar emanating from naval ships on the Black Sea impacts mammals' ability to use echolocation and subsequently impacts their hunting capabilities. 0lida0 (talk) 14:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)