Talk:Endorsements for the 2006 Liberal Party of Canada leadership election

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Thoughts[edit]

I'm going through the sources now, primarily to check that they are accurate. I notice that many link to Globe and Mail stories which are subscriber-only. If anyone notices those, I'd appreciate if they could be changed. And try not to use G&M sources in the future if possible.

I think that I've given up in trying to make this article include only actual endorsements. So, given the actual content of this article, I'd like to propose a re-name, likely to replacing "endorsements" with "supporters" kind of thing. Thoughts? --JGGardiner 20:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think this Wikipedia article is referenced here:[1]According to this CTV article: "Most camps say the names on the Wikipedia list, which is regularly updated, are accurate."--Lord of the Ping 20:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've submitted this article to Wikipedia Signpost, about the article. The article has been published by CTV, Ottawa Sun, Toronto Sun, Winnipeg Sun, Macleans, Canada East, the Montreal Gazette, and Canada.com.:
In an attempt to find a "rough gauge of ex-officio support" for candidates in the 2006 Canadian Liberal leadership race, television network CTV has turned to Wikipedia's article "Endorsements for the Liberal Party of Canada leadership convention, 2006".
Most of the candidates' "camps" say the list is accurate, but either incomplete (Scott Brison's team suggests a dozen are missing from his list of 13), or lacking ex-officios that have only privately endorsed a candidate.
The article concludes "While Wikipedia's list of endorsements can only give a rough idea of ex-officio support levels for the candidates thus far, it is arguably a better gauge of how the race is going than the unverifiable claims and counter-claims about how many new party members each camp has signed up." -- Zanimum 15:07, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The problem is in many cases the G&M may be the only source. - Jord 17:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Listing candidates themselves[edit]

I've gone through and listed those candidates who are automatic delegates so as to better gage actual delegate support. - Jord 21:25, 31 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Ex-Officio Delegates[edit]

I think we should create a seperate link and list of support from ex-officio delegates rather than mix them up with other endorsements. This list is getting zany - and counting asterisks* to find out where ex-officio delegates stand is insane.

Thoughts?

This would take a lot of time, but be a really useful, good and seperate list. - TomPettyFan 21:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've set to work on it at List of ex-officio delegates to the Liberal Party of Canada leadership convention, 2006. - Jord 17:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've been keeping track of ex-officio endorsements at here, which might help a bit. --Hamiltonian 19:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, what I am going to try to do is list every single ex-officio delegate (save for all of the PCs which may be virtually impossible) and then start IDing them to candidates. I think that that is the best way to make sure we are covering it all off. - Jord 20:26, 2 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is good - and I think we will eventually get all the LIBERAL PC's in there. I guess the riding president list will be tough ... I'll post what I can find in the other string.- TomPettyFan 21:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I have posted a bunch of riding presidents in the Talk section. More are available at various party websites.- TomPettyFan 21:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thinning out[edit]

Now that we have the ex-officio delegate page (Hooray!, by the way), why not thin out this page considerably? I say, riding presidents should be the first to go. It's not like we're losing the info - just moving it. --Hamiltonian 20:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed this page needs to be thinned out. It is getting way too Cluttered, and I think this page should be reserved for High Profile endorsements. Also, maybe the font size could be reduced a bit. Pete Peters 16:35, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, this is getting silly. We should probably wait until the ex-officio page is more updated though. Then, on this page, under each candidate we could just numbers instead of all of this information. Maybe a) Number of Ex-officio Endorsements b) Number of MPs c) Number of Senators and then list other significant endorsments under some sort of subjective criteria.- TomPettyFan 21:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think we may be at the point where we can thin this page out and defer to the ex-officio page. I say Riding Presidents and MPs should go for sure. - TomPettyFan 13:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. It is very useful to see all of the key Liberals supporting the candidates in one place. It is interesting to see the exofficio list as well, but if you migrate them out, then it is much harder to see all of this in context. - User:Liberalobservateur 11:35, 10 October 2006

Youth endorsements[edit]

It was pretty much agreed earlier that the only youth that got to be listed are national exec, a youth organizer with some national prominance (e.g. Denise Brunsden... at least known in more than their home province), or someone worth particular interest (such as Romeo Dallaire's son). So please kindly omit all the provincial youth exec to keep this project relevant. (I am looking at you Generation Kennedy from BC/CanaDions from Quebec...)Milton Chan 03:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Placement of Withdrawn Candidates and their Supporters[edit]

I see Bevilacqua has dropped out of the race and endorsed Bob Rae. [2] I am moving him to endorse Bob Rae, but am leaving his endorsements for now. Should Bevilacqua's endorsements be moved to a special category, as former endorsements to Bevilacqua? Pete Peters 14:29, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm fine with that. --Hamiltonian 14:40, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
So am I. Good idea Pete. I think that this demonstrates my earlier concerns as to why endorsements are a different thing from supporters. --JGGardiner 16:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've given it a shot, and set it up similar to how we had Godfreys. Not sure I like it though. - TomPettyFan 21:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've noticed that, in large, people have taken from the Bevilaqua list and then moved them when they moved to a new camp. That seems like a good way to do it to me. - TomPettyFan 17:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Conflicting Endorsements[edit]

I'm probably committing some faux pas in terms of location of comments/question - but I'm new to editing here but very involved in the Liberal campaign as a blogger and keeping track of endorsements (and my blogger endorsement page (Cerberus) is even linked here). What I'm not sure about is conflicting information about Jim Coutts and his support. He is listed as a Kennedy supporter but without any source. However, a story that ran in the Ottawa Citizen put him with Rae. I can't seem to get the link now - subscriber service and it's a month old - but here is the source: "Pearson-Trudeau Liberals back Rae with cash" Canwest News Service/Ottawa Citizen, Monday, August 14, 2006 by Tim Naumetz. The article is pretty clear: "The list of Rae supporters includes James Coutts, a former top aide to Trudeau who donated $5,400 to the campaign." He has also give some money to Kennedy but only $1000 according to Elections Canada. The Ottawa Hill Times ran a story a week or so ago and didn't list Coutts one way or another. Thoughts? I just don't know how to go about making the change in this case. --Ted Betts 06:31, 19 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

17:15, 25 September 2006 (UTC)He is running as a Kennedy Delegate. That seems good enough.- TomPettyFan

John McKay gone neutral?[edit]

He had been listed as endorsing Ignatieff, yet now plans to leave the caucus if either he or Rae is elected, according to LifeSite.net, due to a planned whip on same-sex marriage. Did he let go of support? CrazyC83 05:40, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not certain we should put too much stock in the Lifesite's report. Has any credible source reported this? CJCurrie 06:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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