New Zealand Low‑importance

	New Zealand portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New Zealand, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New Zealand and New Zealand-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New ZealandWikipedia:WikiProject New ZealandTemplate:WikiProject New ZealandNew Zealand articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Film: Japanese / New Zealand

	Film portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Film. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see lists of open tasks and regional and topical task forces. To use this banner, please refer to the documentation. To improve this article, please refer to the guidelines.FilmWikipedia:WikiProject FilmTemplate:WikiProject Filmfilm articles
	This article is supported by the Japanese cinema task force.
	This article is supported by the New Zealand cinema task force.

Japan: Cinema Low‑importance

This article is within the scope of WikiProject Japan, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Japan-related articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project, participate in relevant discussions, and see lists of open tasks. Current time in Japan: 07:23, May 10, 2024 (JST, Reiwa 6) (Refresh)JapanWikipedia:WikiProject JapanTemplate:WikiProject JapanJapan-related articles

Low

This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

This article is supported by the joint Japanese cinema task force.

WikiProject Japan to do list:

Peer review: Kako River (Japan)
A-class review: None

Featured content candidates –

Articles: None
Pictures: None
Lists: None

Good article nominations: Pure Japanese, Vinland Saga (TV series), Japanese destroyer Ume (1944), Mai Fujisawa, Godzilla Minus One
Add requested images to articles that need them.
Pages for Deletion: Participate in Japan-related deletion discussions.
Improve and expand Japan-related stubs.
Create some requested articles.
Help translate an article from the Japanese Wikipedia into English.
Assess unassessed articles

Emperor Hirohito or Emperor Showa[edit]

Untitled[edit]

I am curious if the cast list should list Hirohito or Showa (as it does now.) I understand that Japanese Emperors are renamed after their death, but he was not referred to as Showa in the film, and never in his life. (Written by 67.166.154.69 at 06:33, 10 April 2013)

I've reverted it to Emperor Hirohito, as that's what he was known as while alive, and that's what he's called in the film.Thomas Blomberg (talk) 15:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

March 2013 release[edit]

The film opened as a limited release on March 8, 2013. (Written by 206.192.35.125 at 12:38, 11 March 2013‎)

I've now added that.Thomas Blomberg (talk) 15:01, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Demotion of General Bonner Fellers[edit]

At the end of the film, in a screen caption, we learn that General Fellers was demoted. However, what is left out, is the fact that there was a demotion of over 200 Generals, as part of a budget downsizing. General Fellers was later given a retirement rank of General. (Written by 206.192.35.125 at 12:38, 11 March 2013‎)

Brigadier General, not General. --173.89.27.147 (talk) 19:36, 30 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Demotions from wartime rank to peacetime rank are routine. 99.247.1.157 (talk) 06:53, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the term "demotion" is appropriate for describing the downgrade in rank from war time to peace time. The source for the quote uses this word, but other sources describing similar war-to-peace downgrades use the term "revert". "Demoted" has a connotation of punishment, such as in a court martial. While it may be technically accurate, it is misleading. If the word "revert" is equally functional, I think it should be used to avoid the misleading connotations of the word "demote". Either that or some transitional text could be used to convey the idea this is normal when a military transitions from war to peace time.Tym Whittier (talk) 08:00, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tym, I don't know if you noticed that the last comment in this thread before yours was made in 2014. Anyway, Bonner Fellers seems to agree with you, so all is well and good. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:26, 21 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Reconciling the Movie's version of History to Real History[edit]

I think it would be good to include a section detailing which aspects of the movie's version of history are accurate and which are not. Example, the idea that Macarthur had a hard, 10-day deadline to determine if Hirohito was criminally complicit in Japan's war crimes. This seems "off" to me, and if not true, the Article should at least note that it is not. Also the allegation that Fellers attempted to persuade the Allies bomb campaign to avoid targeting an area of Japan because a woman that he loved lived there is a serious one, if it is not true. This is not mentioned one way or the other in Wiki's Article on Fellers.

Also, the movie conveyed the idea that Hirohito's possible criminal complicity in Japan's war crimes hinged solely on to the extent that he was involved in Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor seems a horrific oversimplification to me, and I have doubts as to whether or not Hirohito 1) could be classified as a "war criminal" simply by authorizing the attack on Pearl Harbor and that 2) the investigation into Hirohito's possible war criminal status was limited only to that decision. There were plenty of war crimes over a long period of time and even if Hirohito was totally uninvolved in the decision to bomb Pearl Harbor, there was still plenty of opportunity for him to commit "war crimes" after the attack and I find it impossible to believe that a US/Allied investigation would limit itself to that single question and not consider other, various ways in which Hirohito might be criminally complicit in war crimes.

I assume that some of the facts presented in the movie has some basis in history, while others do not. I think a section describing both would be a good idea, particularly those allegations regarding Fellers influencing the bombing targeting. If false, it's a terrible accusation to make and allow to remain uncorrected, and if true it's compelling and noteworthy enough to mention in this Article.Tym Whittier (talk) 08:11, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Tym Whittier! By now, this may not come as a huge shock, but we have not-that-easy-to-find-for-new-editors guidance on this: WP:FILMHIST. A "Historical accuracy" section may be quite doable, but it should summarize the reliable sources that compare this film with history, not original research by editors comparing the plot to historybooks. See Dunkirk_(2017_film)#Historical_accuracy and Darkest_Hour_(film)#Historical_inaccuracies for a couple of probably decent examples. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:30, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Threat of Communism not Mentioned[edit]

I just watched this movie, so it's still fresh. After re-reading the Article I note that one of the primary reasons for Macarthur to want to "exonerate" Hirohito and rebuild Japan is due to the fact that the Soviet (Communists) would fill the void made if Japan were not quickly and aggressively rebuilt. It's even mentioned in the movie that Fellers was specifically selected for the job by Macarthur because he shares Macarthur's "paranoia" (<-- this word was actually used in the movie) of the Communists. This aspect of the movie should be included in the "Plot" section.Tym Whittier (talk) 08:39, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Be WP:BOLD and see what happens. WP:FILMPLOT may be of help. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:34, 19 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I assume the movie is considered a "primary source", and I have to find a review that says this?Tym Whittier (talk) 18:17, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the plot of a film or whatever is one of the few times "we" (usually) don't bother with cites. If you saw it/heard it in the film, you can put it in, but if this is your interpretation of scene/talk, then it's time for a cite, unless it's so bleedingly obvious everyone agrees with you (can happen). If noone objects, you're good. If someone objects/edits again, you can accept that (sometimes one thinks "Oh yeah, that's reasonable"), or attempt a discussion and try reach an understanding [1]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:33, 20 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Whose girlfriend?[edit]

"Before he departs, he privately orders his Japanese interpreter, Takahashi, to locate his Japanese girlfriend, Aya Shimada." Too many pronouns here. Was she Fellers's girlfriend, or Takahashi's? (And while we're at it, why was she relevant to anything?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.255.165.198 (talk) 19:31, 7 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]