Talk:Dyesebel

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The text of the entry was: Did you know ...that Dyesebel (pictured), a popular mermaid character in Filipino comic books, cinema and television, was based on Philippine folklore?

Andersen inspired?[edit]

How old is this folk tale? It mirrors Hans Christian Andersen's story, The Little Mermaid. That's pre-1875.Julia Rossi 08:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The references in this article don't date Dyesebel any earlier than 1953. According to the Darna article, Dyesebel was created by Mars_Ravelo (1916 - 1988), a Phillipine graphic novelist. So it seems much more likely that Dyesebel is based on The Little Mermaid than the other way around. I think there is something misleading in the main-page blurb. Mermaids do figure in Phillipine folklore. But Dyesebel seems to be a recent creation, still under copyright, not folkore or folk tale. How long does a story have to be around before it can become a folk tale? What is the difference between folklore and popular culture? --SV Resolution(Talk) 13:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment "folklore" has been removed from the text, but not from the image caption or from the category. Art LaPella 13:47, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
... So I updated the caption. But, as Dyesebel is a mermaid, or sirena, I have left the folklore category in. --72.94.164.124 18:32, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the Philippine Mythology box as the article no longer contains the Philippine mythology category. And, despite featuring an individual mythical creature, this is still a work of pop culture, not of folklore. The Little Mermaid (especially the Disney film) doesn't link to the European folklore category, so why should this article be any different? 67.167.29.149 (talk) 04:34, 1 January 2009 (UTC) Chris G.[reply]

Date of first movie[edit]

According to imdb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0488390/) The first Dysebel movie came out in 1950. --SV Resolution(Talk) 10:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to the Ravelo official website, first film was in 1953 (http://marsravelodarna.tripod.com/id35.html); latest was 1997. Made correction about the latter ("1997" instead of IMDb's "1990"). - Dragonbite 14:03, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

derivative[edit]

This "folklore" (which usually implies some older history) is clearly taken not only from the pre-existing and well-known Little Mermaid tale (as noted above), but also seems to borrow somewhat from Pinnochio. That being said, there are no new stories, only different ways of telling them. The story of the quest for humanity is as old as it is timeless... from Pygmalion to Data on Star Trek. Is it possible that the origins of this story have deeper roots in some kind of Phillipine mythology and the development is parallel to European tales and not simply borrowed? 70.71.10.57 12:52, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Same name as biblical character?[edit]

I guess this is the same name as Jezebel (Bible)

Is this worth mentioning? 213.202.153.8 15:15, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If Dyesebel actually is "Jezebel" in Tagalog, that's pretty interesting. Mars Ravelo may have taken inspiration from a variety of sources. --SV Resolution(Talk) 16:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Even if it's not the biblical character, it at least seems like a carabao english or barok pronouncion/spelling of Jezebel/Jesibel, a common practice in the Filipino literature for one reason or another (humor/satire, appeal of the exotic through localization).
It would be worth mentioning if it were actually literarilly significant to the subject- drawing parallels in character perhaps? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.153.29.23 (talk) 08:26, 24 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I went and added a link to the Jezebel disambiguation page. If nothing else, it would be due to pronunciation issues. --Geopgeop (talk) 02:08, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Filipino[edit]

Bakit ito naging pelikula? 112.209.155.96 (talk) 02:43, 20 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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