Talk:Dreams (1990 film)

# of Nightmares

In a few places, this article states that there are "three nightmares" in this movie. Not sure this is supportable--Fuji in Red, The Weeping Demon and The Tunnel are all nightmares, but The Blizzard is arguably a nightmarish sequence as well. Unless the designation of "three nightmares" comes from Kurosawa himself or some other source close to him, I see no reason to keep it in the article.

Titles

Does anyone know where all these titles came from? It's been a while since I saw this but I was sure the title screen just said 夢 (yume). --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 12:40, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

It's been a few years since I've seen this too, but if I recall correctly, each of the squences had its own title immediately preceding it. --Scrounge 00:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

That's not what he meant, though, I think. I'll give it a shot: "Yume" is the Japanese title, which literally translates "Dreams." In the U.S., it was marketed with the director's name, and some venues (and reviewers) included the name as part of the title, so that's where "Akira Kurosawa's Dreams" comes in. (The poster in the infobox sort of shows this; the cover of at least one version of the video's box does as well.) "Such Dreams I Have Dreamed" was the English-language title used in Japan on its original release. I'm less certain about "Konna Yume wo Mita," but my guess is that it was an alternate title used in Japan. "I Saw a Dream Like This" is the (or, more accurately, one) English translation of "Konna Yume wo Mita". Shimeru 04:20, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Addition: Come to think of it, those last two may be a back-translation. "Such Dreams I Have Dreamed" is also a possible translation of "Konna Yume wo Mita." The Japanese-release English title might have been translated into Japanese, and subsequently back into English to produce "I Saw a Dream Like This." Shimeru 04:22, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

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Rationale added to image article. Johnmc (talk) 11:07, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Dandelions

In The Weeping Demon, the demon refers to dandelions as "strange flowers". Now, I certainly do get the gag with the size, but is there possibly something else to this? Are there no dandelions in Japan? If so, wouldn't that be worth mentioning? --212.152.3.208 (talk) 14:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Kotniski (talk) 10:57, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

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Dreams (film) → Dreams (1990 film) — Disambiguation from Dreams (1955 film) and Dreams (2000 film). Also, there are numerous related titles like Dream (film), The Dream (film) etc. --Arfaz (talk) 17:29, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

• Support per WP:NCF. None of these films are the primary topic, so they should be disambiguated from it (Dream) and also from each other. "Dreams (film)" is ambiguous and needs to be clarified due to other films of the same title on Wikipedia. Erik (talk | contribs) 17:59, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
• Support per Erik. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 21:27, 10 March 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose. Akira Kurosawa's film is by far the most prominent, given his stature in world cinema. This is a late work when he was at the height of his world fame. Bergman is as famous but his Dreams is an obscure work that he did not wish to even discuss. [1] A clear primary topic here. Gamaliel (talk) 00:40, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

  Dreams redirects to Dream as the primary topic. Do you want to move the film article to Dreams? Erik (talk | contribs) 02:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

  Wouldn't be opposed to the idea, but I think that would require a separate discussion. Gamaliel (talk) 04:39, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

• Support disambiguation for all forms seems needed. Dream (film) and The Dream (film) should also be renamed to allow for disambiguation at a centralized location. 184.144.160.156 (talk) 02:11, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
• Support per NCF. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 14:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
• Support. The link Dreams (film) should then redirect to the page Dream (disambiguation). Consequently, Dream (film) should be renamed Dream (2008 film) and The Dream (film) should be renamed The Dream (1966 film). Both links should then be directed to the same disambiguation page, since the Film and Television section of that page lists more than one film for each title. Fortdj33 (talk) 16:47, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
• Support. If there are two film articles, both being disambiguated, then they both need to be disambiguated and by year works the best here. BOVINEBOY2008 21:20, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

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Re:Variant titles

My recent edits[2] to the intro were reverted twice[3][4] in what I now see was probably a good faith attempt to preserve the sense of the opening. However, I made other minor style changes in accordance with WP:MOSJ (we don't bold the Japanese name of the article title), so a complete reversion was inappropriate.

These variant titles, if they have been used in some kind of literature that covers the film, belong in the article body, not in the intro. The way they were placed, it implied that they were actual release titles, and as far as I can see there is no evidence of this. If they have been used at all, then they need sources, but they don't belong in the intro unless they are actual release titles. Also, the connection between the Sōseki work and this film needs a source. (This whole thing seems ironic given JoshuSasori's recent actions on Taboo (1999 film), Kuroneko, Sansho the Bailiff, andUgetsu, however.)

Additionally, "I Saw a Dream Like This" is actually an incorrect translation in that in English we tend to say "I had a dream" rather than "I saw a dream". (It would be an overly literal translation of the Japanese われ夢見けり, but it has a different meaning in English.)

elvenscout742 (talk) 03:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I removed a couple of unsourced "akas" from the intro of this article. They were not mentioned anywhere else in the article, and no information could be found to indicate that the film was ever released under either of these titles. One of them was explained in the opening as being from a Natsume Soseki story, but again with no source. I had never heard of these titles, and if like some of Kurosawa's earlier films (1940-1960) they are just translations that western scholars of Japanese cinema have devised (i.e., the film was never released under these titles), I figured they don't belong in the intro but should be mentioned somewhere in the article.

When I searched Google Books for the title that had been linked with Soseki, the results were disappointing: only 3 books that mention this title in their previews, and all of them just redirecting to Dreams. Google Scholar brought up even fewer, but more interesting results: the preview of this paper appears to imply that an early draft of the script for the film had this title. This means that, of course, the title is not a "variant title" for the released film, and can't be stated as such without context. However, without more information (I can't actually read the full paper without registering), I am uncomfortable adding this datum to the article. Could someone with a MUSE subscription, or another source, look into this further?

elvenscout742 (talk) 08:32, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

The Blizzard

What is your authority for thinking that the woman (or spirit) in this dream is trying to lure the dreamer to his death? It seemed to me that she was trying to reassure him. Kostaki mou (talk) 02:12, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

Discussion forum

We can set aside this space for discussion of any matter relevant to the article that is low-priority. And I will go ahead and lay my contribution on the table; the wedding procession with the kitsune can be analogized to be a relative of a Orthodox procession on, say, the feast of Our Lady of Kazan. The lantern-bearers- the phanarion, the other foxes- the rest of the front elements (icons and banners/khorugvi), and choir/chanters and clergy, and the palanquin- the object, in this case, let's assume an icon, being honored. Cheerio, dear comrades! :-) 76.5.146.177 (talk) 22:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)