Talk:Des Corcoran/GA1

GA Review[edit]

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Reviewer: Indy beetle (talk · contribs) 09:04, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'll take this one. My opening comments:

I'm not sure if his father's full electoral history is really relevant, except to say that he ran for office several times and did briefly serve in the South Australian House of Assembly from c. 1945–1947 and later in the 1950s (I'm not familiar with how provincial parliamentary terms work in Australia).

Have trimmed this. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:00, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

With regards to Cochran's progression from a warrant officer to a captain, are any dates available here?

No, I've looked around. But I would love to get a copy of his service record at some stage before this goes to FAC, it will help to fill in some gaps. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Corcoran left the Army in 1961 and in the 3 March 1962 state election was elected to the House of Assembly Might be worth clarifying that he was running as a Labor member.

Done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

was a key player in the modernisation of the state Labor Party as a political force. Can this be elaborated on at all?

Added. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The new Premier, Frank Walsh, was a Catholic like Corcoran, when the Labor caucus was dominated by Protestants. The subsequent text does not reveal why this is really all that relevant. Corcoran's faith only really seems to be of importance when discussing his relationship with Dunstan.

The Catholic vs Protestant split in the ALP in 1955 is relevant here, I will add some detail. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OK, added. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:55, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Forgive me for my American extraction, but is redistribution analogous to reapportionment? Some Wikilinks might be helpful.

Yes, same thing. I have linked Redistribution (Australia) which is the most relevant one, I think. Anything more I need to do with this? Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

His move from Millicent proved a wise one, as Vandepeer received 59.9 per cent of the votes there. Even if this is the opinion of Jaensch (that such a switch of districts was "wise"), this seems to be presenting one work's editorializing in Wikivoice. I suggest revision or removal.

OK, I would say it is WP:BLUE, but it isn't a war-stopper. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Forgot to say I've reworded it. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 02:54, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

with Coles falling to Jennifer Cashmore of the renamed Liberal Party. It might help explicitly clarifying that the Liberal Party was the successor to the LCL.

Sure, done. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Corcoran was elected his successor, thus finally achieving his dream of becoming premier on 15 February. If Cochran had long time ambitions of becoming state premier, it might be worth expanding upon that fact, if sources allow.

Well, I think the fact he contested the leadership when Dunstan became leader indicates the level of ambition. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:16, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He also served as treasurer along with adding the ethnic affairs portfolio to immigration. The Wikilink for "treasurer" is to the national position, and I'm not sure if this is appropriate. Here in the US, state offices with names which coincidentally match those of federal offices can differ greatly in the responsibilities and parameters under which they operate. Maybe remove the link and revise as "state treasurer"?

No, the wikilink is to the state position, but added "state" for clarity. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies, I must have clicked too many times. -Indy beetle (talk) 09:20, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
He was succeeded by the much younger John Bannon, whose urbane style and academic background meant he was much closer to Dunstan than to Corcoran. The article gives the impression that Dunstan had retired years ago, so why is the comparison warranted in the article on Cochran?
I think this is clearer now. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Corcoran died on 3 January 2004 In Adelaide?

Yes, not sure how I missed that. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Rann went on to say that Corcoran would be "sorely missed" as someone who was larger than life and respected on both sides of politics in South Australia. "Both sides" meaning by people on different sides of the left/right or Labor/Liberal political spectrum, I presume?

Yes, went with something like that. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:05, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This is a general comment which does not seek an explicit response but a general explanation. The article seems to be a comprehensive catalogue of his career progression, but does little to elaborate on what he actually pushed for while in office. His "dream" was to become state premier, so what did he do during that time? I'm sympathetic if we want to avoid OR by using disparate newspaper sources in a feeble attempt to weave a narrative, but surely there must be some policy proposals he championed? Best I can relate to, here in the US it would confusing to have a GA for a governor of a state without discussing his personal politics and policies beyond generic support for his party (with Terry Sanford its improved public education and race relations, William F. Winter its improved public education and generic government reforms, James Holshouser its reducing expenditures, environmental protections, and—like Cochran—provding key leadership to a party which had long been out of power, etc.).

-Indy beetle (talk) 09:04, 5 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've captured some of this with the description of his first speech, but I will be working to expand this fully before FAC. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 06:38, 7 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I respect the effort, but I wonder if this is really appropriate with regards to WP:PRIMARY and WP:DUE, as the speech record itself is being cited. Is there not a contemporary news article which discusses his first speech to the House? -Indy beetle (talk) 09:23, 8 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to locate an article in the contemporary newspapers, but unfortunately they aren't digitised and searchable, and a manual look at the papers of the afternoon and the two following days didn't find anything. I think Hansard is a reliable source for what he said. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:07, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

G'day Indy beetle, all done I think. Thanks for your patience. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 08:56, 25 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No worries, I was on vacation this past week. Nothing that Earwig's tool is showing no noteworthy problems. I'm passing this now as this seems the best we'll be able to get with the currently available source material. A lack of depth on his policies and motivations might be an obstacle to further advancement (FA etc.) but this is good enough for GA. -Indy beetle (talk) 07:29, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a. (prose, spelling, and grammar):

b. (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a. (reference section):

b. (citations to reliable sources):

c. (OR):

d. (copyvio and plagiarism):
It is broad in its coverage.
a. (major aspects):

b. (focused):

Broad in coverage.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:

Not seeing neutrality issues here.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:

Article is stable.
It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
a. (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales):

One fair use photo.

b. (appropriate use with suitable captions):

A portrait of the subject is included, and indeed relevant.
Overall:
Pass/fail:

(Criteria marked are unassessed)