Talk:Cthulhu Mythos deities

Cthulhu Mythos reference codes and bibliography was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 09 June 2013 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Cthulhu Mythos deities. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Text and/or other creative content from this version of Cthulhu Mythos deities was copied or moved into List of Great Old Ones with this edit on 26 Sep 2022. The former page's history now serves to provide attribution for that content in the latter page, and it must not be deleted as long as the latter page exists.

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Alright, anybody going to change text in Elder God and Outer God section into table? L-Zwei (talk) 04:55, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll be tackling the rest of the article in a few days, as it still needs a major clean up. Regards PurpleHeartEditor (talk) 12:46, 3 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Chaat of Table of Great Old Ones is not Chaat. I'm Japanease, and I've read Ken Asamatsu' story in Japanease. This God is Cthaat. And this name is from Brian Lumley's "Cthaat Aquadingen". 26th August 2012 by Zephyros — Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.9.60.26 (talk) 01:08, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If, as the article says, Lovecraft named as "Great Old Ones" the following, "Azathoth, Cthulhu, Ghatanothoa, Shub-Niggurath, Yog-Sothoth, Nyarlathotep and Yig", then shouldn't those entries all appear in the "Table of Great Old Ones"? Or am I missing something? Dballing (talk) 10:36, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It is to my understanding that all of those, with the exceptions of the big C, Yig and Ghatanotha, are not even Great Old Ones. That sentence should be changed. But even afterwords, you are correct; the applicable ones need to be added to the table. --Dragnilar (talk) 14:37, 10 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that there might be mistakes…[edit]

I am by no means an expert, I've only read Lovecraft's work, and not even all of them, but there appears to be at least one (I think huge) mistake:

The entry for Cthulhu lists "DV, PS4" as the relevant works; absolutely no mention is made of "The Call of Cthulhu" (the story Cthulhu first appeared in), "PS4" is given as where he first appeared, according to Cthulhu Mythos alphanumeric reference code and bibliography PS4 is the abbreviation for "The Plague of St. James Infirmary" by Ken Asamatsu written in 2005!

That's just the one I caught, I have no idea how many others there might be.97.124.90.99 (talk) 23:23, 8 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Is this still a problem because I looked at it and it said call of Cthulhu was the first reference. Andrew Jonathan Low (talk) 13:08, 27 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

WHY[edit]

Why does the table in this article still have a column for "References" containing a huge variety of abbreviations, the definitions of which are contained in an article that no longer exists? In fact, if you click on the References link in the column heading, it just redirects circularly back to the article you are currently reading. This is worse than useless to readers of the wiki--it is confusing and frustrating. Can we delete this column and delete these references from ALL the Cthulhu articles, since the definitions of these references no longer exist?

I realize that more than a year ago, some bozo had the idea that we should just magically "merge" the contents of the deleted article into this one, but no one seems willing or able or to this. Since it has been so long, it's better just to remove these references altogether.--Jerk of Thrones (talk) 09:52, 26 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

... Why were the pages removed in the first place? And having been removed, why wasn't the information contained within them immediately added to this page? The whole issue seems troublesome. Devilot (talk) 05:59, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. The merger of Cthulhu Mythos reference codes and bibliography left a lot of pages in the lurch. Is anyone working on this? If not, I plan to start incorporating the late reference tables from that page here. Cool Hand Luke 15:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind that this article is not the only one that uses the reference codes. --Röhmöfantti (talk) 11:11, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if any merging was done, but in any case, the page seemed still useful so I'm storing it in my userspace for now hoping someone can incorporate it or use it somehow. -- œ^™ 18:46, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Yig seems to be missing — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.203.39.13 (talk) 02:56, 4 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Cthulhu Mythos reference codes and bibliography[edit]

To anyone who may be interested, this content was originally intended to be used with tables included in the articles Cthulhu Mythos deities, Elements of the Cthulhu Mythos, Books in the Cthulhu Mythos, Characters of the Cthulhu Mythos, and Extraterrestrial places in the Cthulhu Mythos. -- œ^™ 18:43, 4 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Revert[edit]

@7&6=thirteen: I was removing content that lacked reliable sources. All of the content that was removed had no secondary sources. I have no desire to delete the list. Instead, I wish to prune it. If the list is pruned, it may be better able to discuss the truly prominent deities. Otherwise, it would simply be a collection of fancruft. Also, the page partially relies on a deleted list. I removed that content. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 15:59, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It would result in a random incomplete list based on an arbitrary contingency that someone found a source. Then you would have to stand guard over it indefinitely removing entries added by well-meaning editors trying to put it back together. Some lists that is a good idea, not sure it makes sense here given the limited number of deities. Notability is not required for each entry in a list. Whenever I see an essay I look to what policies its cites, what is the essay based on? WP:FANCRUFT is based on indiscriminate info, but since this list is a finite list of deities, which is not excessively long, and Cthulhu Mythos deities are notable as a group, I don't see indiscriminate as being a problem. (disclaimer: never read Lovecraft not a fan or crufty) -- GreenC 20:49, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Most of the entries lack citations. A large portion of those that have them only cite RPG guidebooks. We should only list things that are demonstrably important. Importance is demonstrated by the presence of reliable sources. These guidelines also apply to lists. We need to make sure that we can provide at least one secondary source for each entry. Furthermore, there are many different writers who have contributed to the Cthulhu Mythos. Most of the listed deities were not created by Lovecraft. Honestly, it is impossible to list every deity created by each Cthulhu Mythos author, as most of them do not have any lasting importance. That is why I think that we should limit this list to entries that can be supported by secondary sources. In addition to this, I would like to see that table converted into prose. It is far too long to properly edit. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 21:46, 25 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a classic or canonical set of deities such as those created by Lovecraft? -- GreenC 12:22, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Template:H. P. Lovecraft lists his notable stories. That would be a good place to start. Furthermore, the Lovecraft Annual has some usable content. There is also an incomplete bestiary. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 23:15, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I support the overall re-org and re-write. Wikipedia is WP:NOTPLOT, and articles are meant to avoid WP:UNDUE weight on subjects that aren't covered in reliable secondary sources. They're also not supposed to be a collection of WP:ORIGINAL research from primary sources. A good way to help bring this article into proportion is to follow what secondary sources are doing, and that's a broad consensus policy and best practice. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:36, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The list should be complete, that means not just the entries that have their own Wikipedia article. Dream Focus 02:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This list/article definitely needs to be cleaned up on a large scale, and reduced to only those entries that can have at least one citation to a reliable, secondary source. Lovecraft's work is in the public domain, and anyone can publish work set in or inspired by the mythos and create their own characters and deities. We need to have some standard here, and I think the very least we could do is make sure that only entries that have at least one source showing some modicum of notability are included here. Rorshacma (talk) 00:19, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

November 2020[edit]

There is a discussion over at Talk:Cthulhu Mythos which relates to this article. You are invited to go to Talk:Cthulhu Mythos#structure of articles and comment. Best Regards, CapnZapp (talk) 11:28, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Two lists of Great Old Ones need merging[edit]

We have Cthulhu_Mythos_deities#Table_of_Great_Old_Ones and the List of Great Old Ones. Those need to be combined. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 07:01, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Supporting merge: I agree, this is an unneccessary WP:CONTENTFORK. I am not sure which one is the better destination. Please note that currently Great Old Ones redirects here. I think it would be great to have an individual article about the Great Old Ones as a group. Daranios (talk) 21:06, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Daranios I was a bit surprised it never had one (I am not sure it is notable...). Anyway, see Talk:Great Old One. There was something, but history got lost in 2014 histmerge? Well, it arguably was merged here, but it's too troublesome now to see how the old GOO article looked back then. Either way, I doubt it was particularly good. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:56, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Done Klbrain (talk) 05:33, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thing to add[edit]

Doel- are tiny, flesh-devouring creatures who inhabit an alien dimension shrouded in night and chaos. They have three forms, a mist-like form, an elongated pale limb-like shape, and the brain burrowing parasite form. They attack by burrowing into the victim's brain and feeding off the contents. The victim of this may experience powerful hallucinations before a painful death. Fire and the cross-shape have proved effective against them.[appeared in The Space-eaters.] 2600:387:F:4512:0:0:0:5 (talk) 20:17, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]