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Cornish Flag[edit]

I have removed the Cornish Flag of St Perran from this page. There is no justification for using this flag when describing a Celtic tribe with roots in the bronze-iron ages. Although the descendants of the Cornovii in Dumnonia are the Cornish, I feel it would be like using the Union Flag for the Ancient Britons or the Anglo-Saxons- misleading and historically untenable.Brythonek (talk) 21:51, 11 June 2009 (UTC) I have added a clearer map too.[reply]

Authentic tribe?[edit]

I'm sorry but this was not a fully fledged tribe as far as I'm aware, the Dumnonii were the Celtic tribe of Cornwall.[1] - Yorkshirian 19:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Cornish Cornovii are well documented by the Institute of Cornish Studies and leading Cornish historians, professor Philip Payton and Craig Weatherill. Please refer to Philip Payton's book Cornwall (1996) Alexander Associates, Professor David Mattingley of University of Leicester refers to the Cornish Cornovii in An Imperial Possession - Britain in the Roman Empire - see "Map of Peoples of Britain and Ireland", Dr John Morris (historian) refers to the Cornish Cornovii in his 1973 book the The Age of Arthur, Charles Thomas. (1986). Celtic Britain. Ancient Peoples & Places Series. London: Thames & Hudson. The Cornovii were sufficiently established for their territory to be recorded as Cornubia by c700AD. 217.42.218.119 10:49, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

John Morris' theory is entirely fanciful and with that kind of scholarship we might as well go and assume the Northern Picts were german. Payton considers the Cornovii to be an offshoot of the Dumnonii or even coterminous, which what little medieval data on their last few centuries of existence as an independent state would seem to go with. I would recommend this be removed, I fail to see how this ridiculous grasping at straws even helps for scholarship on iron age britain, early medieval britain, or cornish studies. 70.53.138.91 (talk) 10:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

So basically this article says that there is no solid evidence that this tribe actually existed in Cornwall and the only reference that can be found could be spelling mistake? Talskiddy (talk) 13:40, 8 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just one dubious mention in antiquity, yes. But verified existence isn't a necessary condition for an article, as long as the topic has been discussed by reliable sources. —SMALL JIM 10:23, 14 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Problems with Cornovian theories- names and places[edit]

If we are to assume that the Cornovii, of all ilks, were British tribes who coincidentally had the same tribal name- a theory I find hard to swallow- then we need to analyse the naming of the tribe. Concerning most British tribes at the time, what we know is often educated conjecture but the naming of the Cornovians as "people of the horn", i.e. peninsula, does not work. Why would people of the West Midlands be so named? It might work for Cornwall and for Caithness but certainly not for the area around the Wrekin.

The problems with Morris' theory have been outlined but the counter-arguments have not been presented at all. Brythonek (talk) 18:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Breton[edit]

I just added this to the Cornwall portal

"""The Corn- part comes from the hypothesised original tribal name of the Celtic people who had lived here since the Iron Age, the Cornovii." Seems a bit convoluted... Has nobody remarked that Kornog is "West" in Breton?

http://fr.glosbe.com/fr/br/ouest

Cornwall was also known as West Wales.

All seems rather obvious.""

Corn means West is all.

It would work for all three tribes: Ptolomy has the Orkneys in the wrong place, the Pictish Cornovii appears to face Skye and the Isle of Lewis: West (His map is a bit messed up all round in fact.

http://www.romanscotland.org.uk/pages/infrastructure/maps/Ptolemys-lrge.jpg

Simples — Preceding unsigned comment added by Anagallis63 (talk • contribs) 12:50, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

What may be "obvious" to you is unsourced opinion and original research to others - so please stop adding it to articles. If you can find a reliable source, please add it to articles; until then, don't because it will be removed. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:23, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Independence[edit]

"The Dukedom became independent outright until 1066 AD." This it at variance with what is said elsewhere. From the time of King Athelstan Cornwall was subject to the kings of Wessex, but independent again in the reign of Canute.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 20:35, 30 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]