Talk:Conversations (software)

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Article sources and tags[edit]

With this edit[1] MarioGom added tags for too many associated sources, and unreliable sources, without identifying unreliable sources. I don't dispute there may be many primary sources, but please identify which sources you believe may be unreliable. -- Yae4 (talk) 19:42, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yae4: Here's a quick review:

Conversations project on GitHub^[1]^[2]^[3]^[4]^[5]^[6]^[7]^[8]^[9] is a primary source (and obviously not independent) and while it may be usable in limited contexts, such as referencing a release date, the extent to which this article relies on this source is excessive.
Conversations profile on Play Store^[10] same as with the GitHub project.
F-Droid wiki^[11] is user-generated content.
XMPP wiki^[12] is user-generated content.
FSF wiki^[13] is user-generated content.

References

^ Gultsch, Daniel (2021-10-14), Conversations, retrieved 2021-10-14
^ Gultsch, Daniel (January 24, 2014). "Initial Commit, Conversations". github.com. Archived from the original on 2016-01-19.
^ "Release 0.1 · iNPUTmice/Conversations". GitHub. Retrieved 2021-10-14.
^ Gultsch, Daniel (2021-10-14), Conversations, retrieved 2021-10-14
^ "Release 1.0 · iNPUTmice/Conversations". GitHub. Retrieved 2021-10-14.
^ "Changelog for conversations 2.0 beta". Github. March 17, 2018.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ "version bump to 2.2.0-beta + changelog". Github. May 12, 2018.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ "version bump to 2.3.0 + changelog". Github. October 5, 2018.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)
^ "Release 2.8.0 · iNPUTmice/Conversations". GitHub. Retrieved 2021-10-14.
^ "Conversations (Jabber / XMPP) - Apps on Google Play". play.google.com. Retrieved 2021-10-14.
^ "Difference between revisions of "eu.siacs.conversations" - F-Droid". f-droid.org. Retrieved 2021-10-14.
^ "Summer of Code 2015 - XMPP WIKI". wiki.xmpp.org. Retrieved 2021-10-14.
^ "Conversations.im - Free Software Directory". directory.fsf.org. Retrieved 2021-10-14.

MarioGom (talk) 13:08, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Having "wiki" in the URL does not necessarily mean it "is user-generated content" without editorial oversight. The following discusses each of the three sources.

The F-Droid source redirects to a "home" page in F-Droid's gitlab. It has no "wiki" pages. This source was intended to support the date of earliest publishing in F-Droid, I believe. Thus it is similar to Github sources, except approvals for changes in F-Droid require independent review and approval. In any case, it is non-controversial info'.
The XMPP uses wiki software but is overseen by "Sysops".[2] In the case of the referenced page, the history shows Sysops Kevin and Guus were most active in curating the page; Guus was the most recent editor. This demonstrates editorial oversight. Also, there are other independent sources for the statements supported by this source. [3] If anything this source could be criticized for being "primary", but as stated, there are other sources suppporting the statements. The statements are also non-controversial.
The FSF directory has an editorial and review process, with approvals for listings.[4] [5][6] Note particularly the statement: "Regardless of the topic, administrators will verify and approve new software proposed by users, correct existing pages and provide technical assistance publicly in the channel."[7] Finally, this source is used for basic information, nothing controversial.

Therefore, the unreliable sources tag remains inappropriate. On the primary sources tag, I agree there are several primary sources (also original research), and it would be better to have secondary sources; however, the supported info' is non-controversial dates and technical details. -- Yae4 (talk) 21:26, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

official website[edit]

@Yae4: I think comversations.im is made by the author, which is official, gultsch.de is just a personal blog/homepage of the author. Shinohara Chihiro (talk) 15:08, 9 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Gultsch, Daniel (2021-10-14), Conversations, retrieved 2021-10-14

[2] Gultsch, Daniel (January 24, 2014). "Initial Commit, Conversations". github.com. Archived from the original on 2016-01-19.

[3] "Release 0.1 · iNPUTmice/Conversations". GitHub. Retrieved 2021-10-14.

[4] Gultsch, Daniel (2021-10-14), Conversations, retrieved 2021-10-14

[5] "Release 1.0 · iNPUTmice/Conversations". GitHub. Retrieved 2021-10-14.

[6] "Changelog for conversations 2.0 beta". Github. March 17, 2018.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

[7] "version bump to 2.2.0-beta + changelog". Github. May 12, 2018.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

[8] "version bump to 2.3.0 + changelog". Github. October 5, 2018.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

[9] "Release 2.8.0 · iNPUTmice/Conversations". GitHub. Retrieved 2021-10-14.

[10] "Conversations (Jabber / XMPP) - Apps on Google Play". play.google.com. Retrieved 2021-10-14.

[11] "Difference between revisions of "eu.siacs.conversations" - F-Droid". f-droid.org. Retrieved 2021-10-14.

[12] "Summer of Code 2015 - XMPP WIKI". wiki.xmpp.org. Retrieved 2021-10-14.

[13] "Conversations.im - Free Software Directory". directory.fsf.org. Retrieved 2021-10-14.

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